Petition to bring back Demons Breeze

[fuzypoo]

I can't really find a thread stating why only one Breeze should remain, but why did this idea come into effect? How about letting both Breeze Island and Demon's Breeze stay? They are two maps loved by the majority of the community, and I don't understand why one has to be removed. Who cares if they have somewhat the same general structures? Like someone stated (I can't find your post sorry D, the point of MCSG is to have fun. Breeze Island and Demon's Breeze are two maps that provide a lot of fun unlike other maps that should be taken out as they are a waste of space in the vote screen. No one cares that the maps are somewhat similar. My main point is why must one go? I think both should stay, and we should let the community decide which maps go.

 

[Philly67]

I don't agree with it being the same map. Demon's Breeze is a much more open map that requires skill to navigate the walkways that hang over the lava. There is hardly any water in this map which is why I'm sure most people enjoy it as they do not have to swim for 10 minutes chasing someone. The alternate terrain provides a much quicker game pace which is why I voted this map every time it appeared as a map option.
I, also, feel like the community should be the ones to choose which maps stay and which maps go. The community plays these maps much more than the people who decide the fate of the maps. Demon's Breeze was voted almost every time it appeared on the vote list. I agree with Philly's statement in that some maps never even get voted yet Demon's Breeze get taken out? I don't feel like this move was fair to the community, and I think this map should be put back into MCSG.

I can't really find a thread stating why only one Breeze should remain, but why did this idea come into effect? How about letting both Breeze Island and Demon's Breeze stay? They are two maps loved by the majority of the community, and I don't understand why one has to be removed. Who cares if they have somewhat the same general structures? Like someone stated (I can't find your post sorry D, the point of MCSG is to have fun. Breeze Island and Demon's Breeze are two maps that provide a lot of fun unlike other maps that should be taken out as they are a waste of space in the vote screen. No one cares that the maps are somewhat similar. My main point is why must one go? I think both should stay, and we should let the community decide which maps go.

You make great points and the map community should really read through them carefully, as well as all the other comments made by the rest of the community.
CaptButterToast Gameraider Tree_TheBigKind Dave Ninetailefox92 Joshkey Bowser52000 Ginger kezzer1995

 

[Tree_TheBigKind]

You make great points and the map community should really read through them carefully, as well as all the other comments made by the rest of the community.
CaptButterToast Gameraider Tree_TheBigKind Dave Ninetailefox92 Joshkey Bowser52000 Ginger kezzer1995

The map was supposed to be removed a while back. The in game poll reflected that the players wanted it removed over freeze island. The poll that Chad conducted on the forums showed that the players wanted freeze island removed over demons breeze (I might have gotten that flip flopped but one poll had about a 500+ margin over the other in game but the forum poll showed the opposite). The community made it prevalent that at least one of them needed to be removed. Since all-together the community didn't wholly prefer one over the other but an overwhelming majority wanted at least one removed, the best option would be to remove them both. When thinking about this, remember that a lot of the time, the committee tries to do what the community wants. This is one of those instances. The only logical choice was to removed them both. Please try to view this as the eyes of the entire community- this is what we attempted.

 

[Toast]

You make great points and the map community should really read through them carefully, as well as all the other comments made by the rest of the community.
CaptButterToast Gameraider Tree_TheBigKind Dave Ninetailefox92 Joshkey Bowser52000 Ginger kezzer1995

I'll give my opinion on the matter once I get back from school .

 

[Philly67]

The map was supposed to be removed a while back. The in game poll reflected that the players wanted it removed over freeze island. The poll that Chad conducted on the forums showed that the players wanted freeze island removed over demons breeze (I might have gotten that flip flopped but one poll had about a 500+ margin over the other in game but the forum poll showed the opposite). The community made it prevalent that at least one of them needed to be removed. Since all-together the community didn't wholly prefer one over the other but an overwhelming majority wanted at least one removed, the best option would be to remove them both. When thinking about this, remember that a lot of the time, the committee tries to do what the community wants. This is one of those instances. The only logical choice was to removed them both. Please try to view this as the eyes of the entire community- this is what we attempted.

The reason the in-game poll was the opposite to the one done on the forums is because it was worded incorrectly.
Players were voting to keep Demons breeze but unknowingly voted for Freeze Island.
That was cleared up months ago.

The community heavily favoured the removal of Freeze Island. Not Demons Breeze.


Either way, yes there were a number of people in the community that did not like Demons Breeze and they voiced their opinions. However there are also players that dislike maps such as SG4 and Breeze Island yet those are arguably the two most popular maps.

Demons Breeze was one of the most played maps on our servers, easily one of the top 5 voted for per match.

The majority of the community want it to remain on our servers as well as Breeze Island.

 

[Tree_TheBigKind]

The reason the in-game poll was the opposite to the one done on the forums is because it was worded incorrectly.
Players were voting to keep Demons breeze but unknowingly voted for Freeze Island.
That was cleared up months ago.

The community heavily favoured the removal of Freeze Island. Not Demons Breeze.


Either way, yes there were a number of people in the community that did not like Demons Breeze and they voiced their opinions. However there are also players that dislike maps such as SG4 and Breeze Island yet those are arguably the two most popular maps.

Demons Breeze was one of the most played maps on our servers, easily one of the top 5 voted for per match.

The majority of the community want it to remain on our servers as well as Breeze Island.

While some a fair amount of those on the in game poll did vote to keep Demons Breeze but accidentally voted incorrectly, there was a large amount that wanted it removed. There's no way to correctly tell how many of the in game players wanted it removed since, as you said, it was worded oddly. However, this map doesn't really seem to have a middle ground with players (I could be 100% wrong here, I'm just saying what I've observed). Either people absolutely loved it or they absolutely hate it. If you take into account the part that Freeze was already being removed and my whole part from the first response about tons of players wanting both or one or the other removed, it only made since to remove both. I know we don't share the same opinion about it but the entire committee voted to remove it. It was completely unanimous (if I remember right and I'm fairly sure I do). Removing and adding maps have many aspects to it, not just the one on whether people like it or not. This map displayed many aspects that ALL had to be taken into account. So, while a fair amount of people do seem to enjoy it, all of the aspects needed to be considered.

 

[Ninetailefox92]

Firstly I want to bring up a point fuzypoo brought up "The community plays these maps much more than the people who decide the fate of the maps." This is untrue, you are forgetting that the committee is a part of the community aswell, we have been on the servers for a long period so we do have a good overview of the maps and how the community feels about things.

I do see that Demons Breeze does have a lot of fans but a lot of people also didn't like the map, it is easy to generalize the opinions of the many by saying "The community wants this" but noone truely knows the feelings of the whole community, as the map committee we do the best to be fair to the whole community not just the few who voice themselves as the whole community. There was a lot of negativity towards demons breeze as it is easy to die from being hit into lava (an aspect which some people like but some dislike) and personally I felt the map wasn't up to the standard of map we are aiming for so I agree for it being removed. Also I feel polls don't really work for the matter as not everyone votes in them so it doesnt provide a voice of the whole community.

So bringing demons breeze back? I personally would not back this in any way as I feel we should be going for a higher standard of map such as Origins and Remnant which were recently added which give a decent gameplay aspect while also looking excellent. Obviously this is just my personal opinion, but this whole thread is very biased in its outlook so before you try to contradict any opinions I personally have, I would appreciate if you address it in an unbiased format.

 

[CharlesTheMelon]

My favorite map, gone. This was by far more played than breeze island and I feel a poll should be made like polls before, so people can vote in game over the course of the next week or two to decide which one stays and which one goes. That way we get a communal decision instead of generalizing!

 

[Virtual]

Remakes shouldn't be on MCSG. I'd be all for it if the main island wasn't Breeze Island's island. But Demon's breeze itself - No, I wouldn't like it to be back. :/

 

[Toast]

For the topic on having it re-added, there are two options:

• Have Demon's Breeze replace Breeze Island.
• Have an original map made based off of the idea of Demon's Breeze with the same gameplay aspects in mind be added in place of Demon's Breeze (this was the original plan and the map was half-finished, but the owner of the map left recently on a 2 year LOA, forgetting to give us the map).

These are the only compromises we as the map committee can make when it comes to this map.

 

[Philly67]

For the topic on having it re-added, there are two options:

• Have Demon's Breeze replace Breeze Island.
• Have an original map made based off of the idea of Demon's Breeze with the same gameplay aspects in mind be added in place of Demon's Breeze (this was the original plan and the map was half-finished, but the owner of the map left recently on a 2 year LOA, forgetting to give us the map).

These are the only compromises we as the map committee can make when it comes to this map.

Why are these the only two opinions?
These servers are all about having fun and Demons Breeze was one of the most fun maps to play on.
Demons Breeze may have been based off Breeze but they are by no means the same map. Their gameplay is completely unique and they couldn't be more different.
Demons and Breeze are arguably the most popular maps. So instead of removing the popular and most liked maps why don't we discontinue lesser played/unfavoured maps such as Survival Kingdom, Kharmunrah, Treacherous Heights, Teweran SG1, Teweran SG3, Vareide SG3, Vareide SG5, Fallen Empire or Fallen Collosi?
Even the three newest maps the map committee selected are rarely played; Vida Cova, Remnant and Origins.

Yes they're all well made maps but their gameplay is far from the best.
No offense to the map makers but there were far better maps to choose from than those three.
Mainly due to the very unbalanced corns on all three.
They provide awful deathmatch experiences, yet they get chosen over maps like Imperial Venue which makes the ideal SG map..
However, since 2 of those maps were created by members of the committee itself I can only feel a hint of biased-ism towards those maps in particular.
Once again well made maps and it obviously took a lot of skill to make.. They just aren't as fun to play don't don't offer a fair gameplay to all players.

In future the map committee should decide things based on what the community want. Not what they want.

Don't remove one of the most popular maps on our server.

 

[EvermoreHD]

Can someone link me to the in-game poll conducted about this matter?