Updates SG Map Updates: More New Maps

[XDBFplaysGamesX | Daniel]

Not a terrible idea. Maybe the staff can just have a designated person that goes through the map section that leaves a message on each map thread saying "Your map is not/no longer in consideration." or "Your map is/still is in consideration."

SuperxAndrew You just made the idea even better. Maybe put this into consideration AlpakaWhacker

 

[wronsiski]

The following are my thoughts on the latest map update, I will try and avoid comapring the maps as much as possible, but instead state my opinion on each one individually. I also will probably not be commenting on how well the map will do in terms of playability as that's not my area of expertise, I will instead be commenting on how well built they are and waht they respective teams might want to consider when doing maps in the future, these are only my opinions so take them as you will

I will start with Springfield SG: Taking a quick look through the thread it is clear that a loot of work has gone into the map, continually being updated, I remember it was posted a while ago, so kudos to Kithex for sticking with the build and seeing it through to the end. From the first image in it's thread I clearly see the map style doesn't appeal to me, (ref:http://i.imgur.com/J1pmK8l.png) The texture pack doesn't aid this but I see far too many straight lines, either 90 degrees or 45 degrees. There is already too much quartz for my liking, I really... really dislike when builders use quartz in builds because it contrasts so much to the other blocks in the area when not used properly making it look garish and out of place. The entire quartz structure is an eyesore to me and that's because the quartz doesn't show any depth which you have put into the building, it makes it all one big blob of colour which just blinds you to the rest of the image. Some of the buildings just have blank panels of one block which are incredibly dull and are not good to look at as they are in no way dynamic, adding a little bit of depth could make all the difference in a wall looking good and looking bad. Fake depth is where you simply add half blocks (slabs stairs fences etc) to the outside of a building in the hope that it will make it look better. The sandstone house with has out of place quartz pillars (ref: http://i.imgur.com/Wl6Pip0.png) Which are far, far to over detailed making the build look messy, completely cluttered and totally unappealing, there is some really cool stuff going on in the roof, I really like the use of depth. I also feel that the cobblestone walls detract from the windows making them look messy and unappealing. Often, keeping a build clean is better than over detailing. One way we like to think of it at DW is that each bit of detail needs to have a purpose, if you can't justify why it is attached to the house, it shouldn't be attached to it. For example What is the purpose of this messy array of fences and buttons? http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png I have no clue. Whereas on the white building on the left here http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png there are clearly window shelves which server a purpose, for putting pots etc, albeit this is not shown in the image. I think this point on over detailing and an attempt to add fake depth more or less summarizes some of the mistakes builders here often make here at mcgamer, it can be applied to many, of the maps on this server and those which have been posted in the finished map section. If you really want a good example of how a build which is simpler is better check out the following images (http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1444/18287957.jpgy and http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1520/tmw58918444.jpg )ou will notice that there is no excessive use of slabs or anything in order to "add detail" because that's not what detail is. I do apologize if it sounds like I'm flaming I'm not just take it as constructive criticism.

Green Grass: Most of the above also applies to green grass, in terms of quartz, detailing etc, but this time we have a new factor to consider. I recently saw this twitter post. Which has since been deleted comparing it to sg4, this map is nothing like SG4, it looks worse. Sorry. it just does. I will expand on this later but am devoid of time for now,

 

[XDBFplaysGamesX | Daniel]

The following are my thoughts on the latest map update, I will try and avoid comapring the maps as much as possible, but instead state my opinion on each one individually. I also will probably not be commenting on how well the map will do in terms of playability as that's not my area of expertise, I will instead be commenting on how well built they are and waht they respective teams might want to consider when doing maps in the future, these are only my opinions so take them as you will

I will start with Springfield SG: Taking a quick look through the thread it is clear that a loot of work has gone into the map, continually being updated, I remember it was posted a while ago, so kudos to Kithex for sticking with the build and seeing it through to the end. From the first image in it's thread I clearly see the map style doesn't appeal to me, (ref:http://i.imgur.com/J1pmK8l.png) The texture pack doesn't aid this but I see far too many straight lines, either 90 degrees or 45 degrees. There is already too much quartz for my liking, I really... really dislike when builders use quartz in builds because it contrasts so much to the other blocks in the area when not used properly making it look garish and out of place. The entire quartz structure is an eyesore to me and that's because the quartz doesn't show any depth which you have put into the building, it makes it all one big blob of colour which just blinds you to the rest of the image. Some of the buildings just have blank panels of one block which are incredibly dull and are not good to look at as they are in no way dynamic, adding a little bit of depth could make all the difference in a wall looking good and looking bad. Fake depth is where you simply add half blocks (slabs stairs fences etc) to the outside of a building in the hope that it will make it look better. The sandstone house with has out of place quartz pillars (ref: http://i.imgur.com/Wl6Pip0.png) Which are far, far to over detailed making the build look messy, completely cluttered and totally unappealing, there is some really cool stuff going on in the roof, I really like the use of depth. I also feel that the cobblestone walls detract from the windows making them look messy and unappealing. Often, keeping a build clean is better than over detailing. One way we like to think of it at DW is that each bit of detail needs to have a purpose, if you can't justify why it is attached to the house, it shouldn't be attached to it. For example What is the purpose of this messy array of fences and buttons? http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png I have no clue. Whereas on the white building on the left here http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png there are clearly window shelves which server a purpose, for putting pots etc, albeit this is not shown in the image. I think this point on over detailing and an attempt to add fake depth more or less summarizes some of the mistakes builders here often make here at mcgamer, it can be applied to many, of the maps on this server and those which have been posted in the finished map section. If you really want a good example of how a build which is simpler is better check out the following images (http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1444/18287957.jpgy and http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1520/tmw58918444.jpg )ou will notice that there is no excessive use of slabs or anything in order to "add detail" because that's not what detail is. I do apologize if it sounds like I'm flaming I'm not just take it as constructive criticism.

Green Grass: Most of the above also applies to green grass, in terms of quartz, detailing etc, but this time we have a new factor to consider. I recently saw this twitter post. Which has since been deleted comparing it to sg4, this map is nothing like SG4, it looks worse. Sorry. it just does. I will expand on this later but am devoid of time for now,

Well said

 

[Nick]

The following are my thoughts on the latest map update, I will try and avoid comapring the maps as much as possible, but instead state my opinion on each one individually. I also will probably not be commenting on how well the map will do in terms of playability as that's not my area of expertise, I will instead be commenting on how well built they are and waht they respective teams might want to consider when doing maps in the future, these are only my opinions so take them as you will

I will start with Springfield SG: Taking a quick look through the thread it is clear that a loot of work has gone into the map, continually being updated, I remember it was posted a while ago, so kudos to Kithex for sticking with the build and seeing it through to the end. From the first image in it's thread I clearly see the map style doesn't appeal to me, (ref:http://i.imgur.com/J1pmK8l.png) The texture pack doesn't aid this but I see far too many straight lines, either 90 degrees or 45 degrees. There is already too much quartz for my liking, I really... really dislike when builders use quartz in builds because it contrasts so much to the other blocks in the area when not used properly making it look garish and out of place. The entire quartz structure is an eyesore to me and that's because the quartz doesn't show any depth which you have put into the building, it makes it all one big blob of colour which just blinds you to the rest of the image. Some of the buildings just have blank panels of one block which are incredibly dull and are not good to look at as they are in no way dynamic, adding a little bit of depth could make all the difference in a wall looking good and looking bad. Fake depth is where you simply add half blocks (slabs stairs fences etc) to the outside of a building in the hope that it will make it look better. The sandstone house with has out of place quartz pillars (ref: http://i.imgur.com/Wl6Pip0.png) Which are far, far to over detailed making the build look messy, completely cluttered and totally unappealing, there is some really cool stuff going on in the roof, I really like the use of depth. I also feel that the cobblestone walls detract from the windows making them look messy and unappealing. Often, keeping a build clean is better than over detailing. One way we like to think of it at DW is that each bit of detail needs to have a purpose, if you can't justify why it is attached to the house, it shouldn't be attached to it. For example What is the purpose of this messy array of fences and buttons? http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png I have no clue. Whereas on the white building on the left here http://i.imgur.com/0DifMLO.png there are clearly window shelves which server a purpose, for putting pots etc, albeit this is not shown in the image. I think this point on over detailing and an attempt to add fake depth more or less summarizes some of the mistakes builders here often make here at mcgamer, it can be applied to many, of the maps on this server and those which have been posted in the finished map section. If you really want a good example of how a build which is simpler is better check out the following images (http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1444/18287957.jpgy and http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1520/tmw58918444.jpg )ou will notice that there is no excessive use of slabs or anything in order to "add detail" because that's not what detail is. I do apologize if it sounds like I'm flaming I'm not just take it as constructive criticism.

Green Grass: Most of the above also applies to green grass, in terms of quartz, detailing etc, but this time we have a new factor to consider. I recently saw this twitter post. Which has since been deleted comparing it to sg4, this map is nothing like SG4, it looks worse. Sorry. it just does. I will expand on this later but am devoid of time for now,

I thank you dearly for your constructive criticism, it's a lot better than "this map is ****". As you mentioned, this map was a year old. And our plan was to just fix up the map as we thought we could do better in regards to detail. We never made any drastic changes to placement of buildings as we never thought this map would get a high demand and a request for the map by the Owner himself. It was merely just to give it a facelift. Personally I understand your thoughts on the map and your dislikes regarding it. But I do want to speculate that you don't know until you try. Give the map a try then send me in a forum PM what you believe should be amended and we will be happy to give it a shot and try update the map.

Until then I can promise you that our future maps will be nothing short of great. In fact, I personally invite you in particular onto our server to help critic our current map in the hope of making it even better.

 

[Shelby]

EDIT: Valentines is gross, half the map is traps that you can't get out of.

Valentine's was a gimmicky event map that was only meant to be on the servers for a week after Valentine's day. It's now June 5th and it's still on the servers /sigh

And yes, I built it. But I never intended the map to be around forever. Can it be removed soon like I was told it would be?

 

[SuperxAndrew]

I thank you dearly for your constructive criticism, it's a lot better than "this map is ****". As you mentioned, this map was a year old. And our plan was to just fix up the map as we thought we could do better in regards to detail. We never made any drastic changes to placement of buildings as we never thought this map would get a high demand and a request for the map by the Owner himself. It was merely just to give it a facelift. Personally I understand your thoughts on the map and your dislikes regarding it. But I do want to speculate that you don't know until you try. Give the map a try then send me in a forum PM what you believe should be amended and we will be happy to give it a shot and try update the map.

Until then I can promise you that our future maps will be nothing short of great. In fact, I personally invite you in particular onto our server to help critic our current map in the hope of making it even better.

Nick, always so classy.

 

[WonderWaffleYT]

There isn't really any notification for if your map is good, which is kind of frustrating sometimes as youwon't know why the maps get on or don't get on. This is why I like Hive's submission process better in that if your map gets interest you'll get a pm from an admin or owner.

Thanks for telling me. Hopefully when MCSG staff gets a chance they will work on that

 

[Jusser]

We already do that here...

Awkward... Guess I'm out of the loop then.

 

[AlpakaWhacker]

Awesome!
No wait...how many tier 2 you removed?

I think the number of Tier 2's is now 97 which is still alot but it's roughly about half the original number.

 

[ChibiGoose]

Valentine's was a gimmicky event map that was only meant to be on the servers for a week after Valentine's day. It's now June 5th and it's still on the servers /sigh

And yes, I built it. But I never intended the map to be around forever. Can it be removed soon like I was told it would be?

Yeah I thought it was a gimmick map, but for a while I thought it was real because it's still around >_> the building isn't bad though don't take it that way c:

 

[Jusser]

I think the number of Tier 2's is now 97 which is still alot but it's roughly about half the original number.

LOL that's still too stinkin high! Happy its down to half the original though.

 

[AlpakaWhacker]

LOL that's still too stinkin high! Happy its down to half the original though.

Well we'll see in due course and If it needs to be reduced again then that can be done.