Balancing the game

[Vercinger]

Thus so far this is what I have experience as a new player (+20 games).

I'm fairly new at this, but all in all it's very clear that the player/team who gets to camp mid most or is there when sun goes down (chests refilled) will be the winner in the end..

This is because he will most likely get the diamond sword and iron armor.. When he has that, nothing will be able to stop him..

The whole idea of letting some who takes minimum risk, of camping mid (this is a big problem with teamers), win the round is very bad game balancing..

Camping mid/teaming up is not skills, and should NOT be rewarded!

I know the point of this was to bring more action to the mid, but it's clear that this rarely happens and thus the game need a huge balance..

Since all chests are on fixed locations you should instead do it like this:

• The (new) items in mid shall NOT be above stone (diamond is a HUGE no no), but should instead give a treat that will still make it worth the risk (as to still draw the fights to mid).
• The greater risk at getting the items should be equal to the reward.
  • This means that if (example) you're doing a jumping puzzle with the risk of losing a lot of health, you should get the reward from the chest that is equal to the amount.
  • If you spend a long time getting to the chest, you should be rewarded with the time spend trying to get there!
  • If you find a VERY well hidden chest you should be rewarded for finding it.

I hope you can see my point, and if not I can elaborate for thoose who have any questions or if you disagree, have any comments or see any flaws with my balance attempt, please explain and we can debate and or perhaps come to a better solution.

 

[purplepieman]

I definitely agree that the harder to get chests should have a higher reward, but I have to disagree in terms of the cornucopia.

It does take skill to take the corn the first night. If there is a big team that just stands on the chests from the start and has no gear, there is nothing at all to stop you from going out to the outer chests, getting a sword, going back, and killing them! Then you hold the cornucopia for the chest refill.

In my experience, the best strategy is to go out and raid chests and kill other tributes the first day until you have some gear, and then head back to the middle just before the refill. Like you said, you can't win if you don't hold the middle the first night, so go back and take it yourself!

The thing is, what matters is the first night chest refill, and the first day you are on even turf with the campers, so you can just as easily get the loot yourself.

 

[Vercinger]

I always run in to iron armor and iron swords whenever I return to mid, and it hasn't even been the first night.. Iron armor and diamond swords just seem too OP to whatever is in the outer chests aswell.. Reward some of the tougher chests with risker risks that isn't in mid, and the game would be more balanced.. This also creates a race to thoose places, and we'll probably see more fights thoose places in just middle.. Since people will be racing, and fighting, and/or fighting while doing a puzzle jump..

There is great potential in rewarding greater risks.. All other games do this.. Otherwise, just not worth it for the player

 

[Squallboogie]

I have brought in about 10 of my friends that I play other FPS/MMO/whatever games with, and since i have shown them a route that yields lots of chest, they almost always win. Also, stealth can help ALOT in some matches. I have sneaked up on quite a few people with diamond swords and good armor. Also, a person that learns how to use a bow can do more damage than a diamond sword does.

 

[Vercinger]

... and since i have shown them a route that yields lots of chest, they almost always win. Also, stealth can help ALOT in some matches. ...

Gotta disagree.. I have a route that allows me to loot +5 chests before I return to mid.. and I'm always powerless against the teamers/campers in mid..

I just really don't like the point of rewarding teaming/mid-camping..

Diamond swords are just too OP in this mode..

 

[RansomHD]

+5 chests is an awful route anything below 10 is probably going to result in a lose

 

[Squallboogie]

Yeah, I have one with about 15 on my route before I go mid. I sometimes go earlier or later, depending on my gear.

 

[Vercinger]

Well then.. Seems like I'm just the one not bothering to spend the time..

I guess I'll print out a map, find all the chests, draw lines, and use some of the algorithms I've learned to find the minimum spanning tree in order to find the fastest route and in the end point it to middle before the sun goes down so I can get the middle diamond sword..

'cause if you don't get that diamond sword, you're not going anywhere on the highscore!

 

[SSiafs]

I agree with most of what Vercinger said, diamonds and iron armor should be a lot harder to get.. Yesterday I played two games in a row, and in both I got a diamond sword and full iron armor BEFORE the chests refilled. Call me lucky, but I think it's because I killed heaps of people with the stuff I got at the start. Harder to get chests should definitely have better items spawning in them, such as that chest at the top of the world limit, which in the original has a piece of steak, an iron sword and a chain helmet.

And yes, teams are wayy too overpowered if they exceed two people, even if you have taken the corn and have iron armor and a diamond sword. I got owned by two people with stone swords.. Also, the pink house should have less stuff spawning in it. It is normally the thing I try and get to first, as it gives you a massive advantage.

 

[hwracer]

I don't team. when I see someone, I pretend to be friendly and I ask for team. When they say yes, i put something in the nearest chest and say "stuff in chest for you" and then when they open it I kill them >

 

[jefeperro]

Well then.. Seems like I'm just the one not bothering to spend the time..

I guess I'll print out a map, find all the chests, draw lines, and use some of the algorithms I've learned to find the minimum spanning tree in order to find the fastest route and in the end point it to middle before the sun goes down so I can get the middle diamond sword..

'cause if you don't get that diamond sword, you're not going anywhere on the highscore!

LOL.

This is a simple game... it's minecraft... No need to bring algorithms into it...
Sorry for laughing but next time you die try flying around and searching for chests... or better yet type /suicide as soon as a match starts....
This may sound crazy but you can spectate better players.... Watch the lines they run, and learn how to beat them to their chests..
I personally have three or four different lines I can run and vary them depending how many other people are running around me.

Read the stategy guide or watch the help video....

The game is fairly balanced Ifeel.

Granted if you don't get the diamond sword you may not win...
But I have killed more than a few people who had the diamond sword...>

At the end of the day if you still can't win try making friends with one of the 75,000+ players on mcsg.in and get a teammate of your own

 

[jefeperro]

And yes, teams are wayy too overpowered if they exceed two people, even if you have taken the corn and have iron armor and a diamond sword. I got owned by two people with stone swords.. Also, the pink house should have less stuff spawning in it. It is normally the thing I try and get to first, as it gives you a massive advantage.

If you don't like the pink house then follow people there and lock them inside....
let them starve to death...

The pink house is not overpowered but if you are going to change it just don't spawn food in it....