The God Debate v2

[RiskIt]

I'm Christian and I don't even believe in hell, how could a God that loves us so much condem us to endless suffering ;-;

I don't know how to answer this. I'd like to say I have all the answers but I'm only 15 and have much to learn. I'm just stating here what I already have learned.

 

[4non]

I don't know how to answer this. I'd like to say I have all the answers but I'm only 15 and have much to learn. I'm just stating here what I already have learned.

I'm glad someone said something like this.
We see people around this age who think they know everything, when they actually know very little.
The teenage years are the years in which everyone is in denial, and very few admit to their immaturity and faults.
A gold star to you.

 

[Glade_OS]

I know it's in the Bible, but those specific chapters are from the first 5 books of the Bible also referred to as the Torah. (The Jewish Bible) I am Christian which may not seem different but the base of my beliefs revolves around the New Testament, not saying that the Old Testament is irrelevant, It was revised though in the New Testament and is more severe and extreme.

One thing I have found about religions (as most points I bring up were in that one video I mentioned), if you follow a religion, you can't really truly follow it unless you fully support all of it. This includes both testaments.

 

[RiskIt]

One thing I have found about religions (as most points I bring up were in that one video I mentioned), if you follow a religion, you can't really truly follow it unless you fully support all of it. This includes both testaments.

I think I should revise what I said previously, I do not believe in religion. I think it is a distraction from what is the main point. I feel religion is a modern way of expressing beliefs but has become corrupt. I believe in God and that Jesus died on the cross, but I do not partake in religions.

 

[boboy1999]

http://www.viewzone.com/noahx.html Here is one of many links referring to the Ark. Also I have heard questions like yours before. Like do babies go to hell because they didn't believe. Then you say "That's not fair they're babies." I believe that you only will go to hell if you have been exposed to Jesus and God and have chosen to reject it although if you have truly never had the opportunity to learn of God then you would not go to hell. That's the way I see it at least.

Thats not proof of Noah's arch. A hole on the ground is proof that a dude made a giant boat and got every animal on earth on is and saved them? Also people have found many things on the ground that look exactly like the "proof" of noah's arch. HERE
Im not talking about babies. They don't know where they are pooping xD
My question to you is, if I blatantly reject God but do only good in my life am I going to hell?
But if I kill a man but ask for forgiveness from God am I going to heaven?

Tell me the sense that makes.

I'm Christian and I don't even believe in hell, how could a God that loves us so much condem us to endless suffering ;-;

Hey buddy that is what I'm saying. You are going to hell for eternity with pain and suffering and agony.....but make sure you remember he loves you. <3

 

[Glade_OS]

I'm glad someone said something like this.
We see people around this age who think they know everything, when they actually know very little.
The teenage years are the years in which everyone is in denial, and very few admit to their immaturity and faults.
A gold star to you.

To quote Gerard Way, "Teenagers scare the living s*** out of me. They can care less as long as someone will bleed."

I think I should revise what I said previously, I do not believe in religion. I think it is a distraction from what is the main point. I feel religion is a modern way of expressing beliefs but has become corrupt. I believe in God and that Jesus died on the cross, but I do not partake in religions.

I can agree with that :3

 

[RiskIt]

Well I'm done for the night, good talks everyone. Look forward to seeing this tread tomorrow. Good night

 

[Glade_OS]

Well I'm done for the night, good talks everyone. Look forward to seeing this tread tomorrow. Good night

Night

 

[boboy1999]

This was an interesting debate. Hopefully we could continue tomorrow. Good night

 

[Jexsy]

This was an interesting debate. Hopefully we could continue tomorrow. Good night

mfw im going to be up till like 10 am lol

 

[OuchTheSchauzer]

I'm going to attempt to explain this the best I can.

"That which can be proven without evidence can be dis-proven without evidence"
This is one of the most common arguments I've seen towards an atheistic sense beliefs, and it holds as long as you hold deities in material. However the idea of a God can't be dis-proven without evidence either. God, or most interpretations of a celestial deity, doesn't exist in a material realm, and so using material evidence would be analogous to a book character using the story to disprove the author.

This is not to discredit science, I love science, being a physics major, with a possible change to biology. While not entirely infallible, science is our best tool to understanding the most complex and basic mechanisms of the natural and physical universe. It is not purposed or designed to credit or discredit an incorporeal being. It is a magnifying glass to observe and understand, not a hammer to drive in a point. I've seen a couple of beliefs on the existence of God vindicated with science, like they occupy a space in your psyche, and one cannot be there while the other is there. It is entirely reasonable to believe in God and science at once, and having faith does not make one an illogical imbecile any more than not having faith make one a moral-less sociopath.

Also science is NOT a religion. Whether or not you believe in science, the universe will behave in a way in which can predict. Also the word theory in science is used differently than in a typical sense. The casual use of the word would be closer to a scientific hypothesis, as in an idea, yet to be proven. A theory in science is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation". Evolution is a real thing, believe in it or not it is affecting the life everyday, as it had been since the beginning of life.

My personal beliefs is something close to animism, in which all natural things have some soul or conscience, from anything as small as atoms to as big as the universe. these souls are in no way divine however, but simply come with existing. I do not however believe in God or a god, nor do I follow any religion. In all definitions of the word I'm atheist, but that doesn't mean I can't philosophize about incorporeal ideas, it just don't think any worship or power comes with it or should go to it.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I tried to make that as sensitive as possible, feel free to respond with questions or opinions, I love learning about other beliefs.

 

[Illumiigel]

Also I've done quite a bit of research about this because of my beliefs and Charles Darwin said before he died "If my theory can not be proven within 100 years then it is false" Those are not his exact words but they are along those lines. Because animals have similar bone structures does not automatically mean that they all came from each other. A dog has similar bone structures to humans....but we are not very similar to dogs. I think that there should be more of a basis than fossils and carbon dating that is in fact very inaccurate.

"If my theory can not be proven within 100 years then it is false". You have a source for this? He was fully committed to his work and he collected sufficient proof for evolution over his lifetime; he wouldn't risk discrediting his life's work on the off-chance that nobody would continue it once he died.

Yes, a dog has a similar bone structure to humans. You know why? Because they're both mammals. They both evolved from the same family of mammals.

You think fossils and carbon dating is inaccurate? So you're saying a book that anyone could have written (with no proof of what it contains being true) is more reliable than examining the remains of animals we've found on our own planet from millions of years ago?