Petition - Change the deleting evidence rule. [200+ Signatures!]

[Scott]

Removing Evidence Should Remain A Bannable Offense​

• Removing evidence allows for people to be unbanned from the server. When people are unbanned, they will get back onto the servers and continue breaking the rules. More hackers, more abusers, more flame. Bad idea.
• As an admin once stated: Let's say someone murders someone else. A close friend or family member of the killer destroys evidence. The killer and the person who destroyed the evidence are going to be in trouble. We don't want people getting away with breaking the rules.
• It clearly stats in many places of the forums that removing evidence will result in a permanent removal from the community. If we have it stated in many places, why do people do it?
• Removing evidence isn't possible with chat offenses because most moderators reupload the evidence, therefore players would only be banned for hacking offenses. As hacking offenses are pretty serious, most people would be banned for an extended period of time anyways.

 

[HohoGod]

yay

 

[10Hearted]

I, 10Hearted would like to sign this petition.

 

[HohoGod]

me two

 

[arsenal]

Removing Evidence Should Remain A Bannable Offense​

• Removing evidence allows for people to be unbanned from the server. When people are unbanned, they will get back onto the servers and continue breaking the rules. More hackers, more abusers, more flame. Bad idea.
• As an admin once stated: Let's say someone murders someone else. A close friend or family member of the killer destroys evidence. The killer and the person who destroyed the evidence are going to be in trouble. We don't want people getting away with breaking the rules.
• It clearly stats in many places of the forums that removing evidence will result in a permanent removal from the community. If we have it stated in many places, why do people do it?
• Removing evidence isn't possible with chat offenses because most moderators reupload the evidence, therefore players would only be banned for hacking offenses. As hacking offenses are pretty serious, most people would be banned for an extended period of time anyways.

Well, that is why I think if they do it within a month it is bannable.

 

[Scott]

Well, that is why I think if they do it within a month it is bannable.

Well, if someone murders someone and the friend destroys the evidence a month later, should they get away with it?

 

[arsenal]

Well, if someone murders someone and the friend destroys the evidence a month later, should they get away with it?

No, they get a month to dispute the ban, and then after that it is upheld. If the staff still think they need the evidence, then they can screen record the video.

 

[cscoop]

Well, if someone murders someone and the friend destroys the evidence a month later, should they get away with it?

Why are you comparing murder to a minecraft server ban. Murders have extensive investigation and the government keeps all the evidence VERY safe. In this case there is NO investigation to whether the person deleted the evidence to get someone unbanned, or if they deleted it because they deleted all of the videos on their channel, and the original hacking evidence is not kept safe by the government (mcgamer).

Not trying to come off rude or flame-y :3

 

[John jennings]

I, Fatalxmodz, would like to sign the petition.

 

[arsenal]

Why are you comparing murder to a minecraft server ban. Murders have extensive investigation and the government keeps all the evidence VERY safe. In this case there is NO investigation to whether the person deleted the evidence to get someone unbanned, or if they deleted it because they deleted all of the videos on their channel, and the original hacking evidence is not kept safe by the government (mcgamer).

Not trying to come off rude or flame-y :3

What it all comes down to is most of this is either they hacked or they didn't. This should be solvable within a month. Also, I am guessing Scott is trying to say that the punishment should be the same if it is just as bad as the person that did the crime. If so then it at least should be 7 day first offense, not perm.

 

[Joel/MadDawg]

• Removing evidence allows for people to be unbanned from the server. When people are unbanned, they will get back onto the servers and continue breaking the rules. More hackers, more abusers, more flame. Bad idea.

This is the main point everyone on your side has in this argument. I'd just like to point out that without someone reporting a hacker that hacker would not be banned. So if that hacker makes a successful ban dispute because of deleted evidence, the amount of hackers isn't going up; it's just going back to the level it was before someone reported the hacker. I repeat, the amount of hackers doesn't go up when a ban is disputed properly, it just goes back to the level it was before the hacker was banned. Therefore, a person deleting evidence does NOTHING to increase the amount of hackers, while getting the hacker banned in the first place decreases the amount of hackers.

A person who reports a hacker helps the server, and even when the evidence is deleted he does no harm (the report is just nullified). With this said, why does it make any sense to ban people who delete evidence?

EDIT: I honestly think this is a fool-proof argument against the case to ban people for deleting evidence. I'd love to see some people who support bans for deleted evidence reply to this

 

[GOLD_ninja14]

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