"Depression" and "Suicide" Threads

[Ginger]

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Here is a FREEEEE summary!

- So, CrystalKnowledge stated that he personally dislikes depression and suicide threads, and several people have agreed with him.

- We all know this is not a website for depression thoughts.

- I do know for a FACT that people on MCGamer DO have depression, even a Senior Mod who happens to really love cute Pokemon.

- More teens who are lower on the "social ladder" in schools and other groups experience depression than the teens who are higher on the "social ladder".

- For example - Nerds and geeks (yes, there's a difference) IF they experience depression, it is often caused by bullying from others or thoughts of self-worthlessness, which can sometimes be caused simply by their outward appearance.

- EDIT FROM LIKE 24 MINUTES AFTER POSTING THIS: I HONESTLY GOT NOTHING WHATSOEVER DONE IN THIS THREAD.

- Actually, after reading through my post again, I suppose it does give some purpose, but it doesn't take a clear stance on this issue.

- So just to clarify and summarize, I do personally believe that suicide and depression help-threads are OK, but only if the person is actually facing depression/suicidal thoughts, and wants help.

- (Even though I do post rant threads sometimes, which I really shouldn't.) So only post them threads if you want someone's help - don't post it just to express yourself, try to ask for advice on your situation, and actually take that advice and try to apply it in your personal life, and see if it helps.

- Edit from like 38 minutes after posting this: And before y'all go off about how I need God in my life or something, cause all I do is type long posts on a gaming forum and talk about how I was depressed...

 

[CrystalKnowledge]

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Someone should really make an account called "MooclanSummarized" and every single post he makes they'll summarize it. I would pay to see that.

Anyway, back on topic. So what I mainly picked up from this thread (From the people that are in defense of having "Suicide and Depression" threads) is that people like hearing positive and kind words from their friends as well as hearing positive words from strangers and it puts them in a better state of mind.

The thing that puzzles me is this: I'm sure it might make them feel better for a little bit. It makes anyone feel better (Not just depressed people). Everyone likes being told they're awesome. But whatever the problem is that's causing them depression is still there. If it's truly bad enough and is long enduring, the person who's emotions you "boosted" will fairly soon fall right back down, if this is truly a serious depression state. Would it not?

 

[PixelPancake]

Aipom

 

[Aipom]

Aipom

u wot i'll cut you m8

 

[PixelPancake]

u wot i'll cut you m8

ha least i aint a cracka like U

 

[Ginger]

u wot i'll cut you m8

confess your sins to the thread

 

[CrystalKnowledge]

u wot i'll cut you m8

confess your sins to the thread

 

[Aipom]

one time i got a little rowdy and i stole bobbybarker's pencil

 

[Bamber]

I DID. HIS NAME WAS ROGER. HE WAS A DOG. ;_______________; I WAS ASLEEP AND HE FELL OUT OF THE CAR DOOR AT A GAS STATION WHEN MY MOM OPENED MY DOOR FOR SOME REASON.
DON'T #^@# AROUND WITH THEM TEDDY BEAR SOB STORIES M8

(I actually did lose my second favorite stuffed animal, Roger. He was indeed a Stuffed Dog. I also have several stories about nearly using the only stuffed animal I still sleep with after losing Roger, Sheepy. As you may guess, he is a sheep. And he's like 9 years old, and can make sushi, and fly, and.... he has... interesting "super powers"... XD dont ask.)



Alrighty, well Bamber rrr rrrr rrrrrr wanted a moo-post here so whoopdee-doo! (Or however you spell it.)

So I'm going to draw upon some sources and previous examples, and this post will be, as usual, based around my opinion. Please try your best not to take offense, and if something can be interpreted two ways, pick the way that is least offensive. (I might link some websites. If I do, you'll probably see the hyperlink thingies.)

First, what is depression?
An intense feeling of sadness, which can affect you in your every-day life. "...including feeling helpless, hopeless, and worthless
(http://gyazo.com/5357b8ae619d16af23d442b62c68b839, taken from the same website as the quote above.)

Taken from Google:

(http://gyazo.com/00400d6c6198ef32f369ac33fb731c29)

Taken from https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/depression/index.shtml:

(http://gyazo.com/4ca30cd61d84febb1ced8242a0b5533a)

So, (in your mind) raise your hand and say "I" if you think you may have experienced 3 or more of these (from the first screenshot) at once. You might have a minor case of depression. It's not as bad, but still horrible. According to the DSM-IV thingy, if you have 5+, you depressssedddd sonnnn. (bad joke? bad joke.)


Okay, now that we have that out of the way, let's move onnnn >>>>>
Oh wait, something to say before we go on.
So before anyone goes off on me and says, "bro, you ain't got no idea what depression is like mayne!" I just want to say - Uh, yeah. I do. I had it for at least four months in early 2013 and it may have started before that, in mid to late 2012, when I was having a lot of family conflicts, and I "may or may not have" *cough cough* attempted suicide four times. (I think it's a crime so I'm not supposed to say that I have, if I have. I will deny this in court as long as I am not under oath, and even if I am you won't be able to tell if I'm telling the truth or not. Just.. leave it.) I've dealt with it, and moved on. I still do suffer from some symptoms of depression, and occasionally have thoughts about self-harming, which I do my best to disregard and ignore.
I also have experience with people who are bipolar - my father, for instance, was a perfect example of a clinically bipolar human being.

Okay now I can continue.

The original topic of this thread! I can't forget to talk about that!!
So, CrystalKnowledge stated that he personally dislikes depression and suicide threads, and several people have agreed with him.
His reasoning? Summed, up:

• He thinks that some of those people may be doing it for attention. (Not everyone.) They want people to praise them, or give positive comments.
• He does have a precedent to base off of. Ender_Harold. In the past, Ender_Harold created a thread, claiming to be his brother, and stating that Ender_Harold (Real name, Cole) had passed away. I don't remember the specifics, and Subv3rsion himself has supposedly erased evidence of whatever Ender_Harold did, so I can't find the thread. Ender_Harold is also forum-banned (yet has sadly made alt accounts..)
• This is the wrong website to do it on. We all know this is not a website for depression thoughts. It's a video game forum, not a depression help hotline or website.

Now, I have to agree that some people - hopefully just a very, very small portion - are doing it for attention. We don't really have any solid proof of people doing it, though - it's mostly intuition based off of their actions and words. Announces depression>Receives compliments>Says they're getting better>Perhaps insert another depressive spiral here>Boom, back in business, everything's fine.
I can't say that that's actually what happens, but I've seen stuff like that occur. I do know for a FACT that people on MCGamer DO have depression, even a Senior Mod who happens to really love cute Pokemon. When I was first starting to competitively play MCSG, I was depressed, and used MCSG as my escape from it all. It actually worked for me.

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, 3.3% of teens from the ages of 13-18 experience a "seriously debilitating depressive disorder."

Those 3.3%. The facts may not tell you this, but something that I find to be true, is:
More teens who are lower on the "social ladder" in schools and other groups experience depression than the teens who are higher on the "social ladder".
For example - Nerds and geeks (yes, there's a difference) IF they experience depression, it is often caused by bullying from others or thoughts of self-worthlessness, which can sometimes be caused simply by their outward appearance.
Obese teens may have thoughts, similarly to the above mentioned, of self-worthlessness caused by their weight or bullying which occurred because of that weight. After all, we all know how evil some people can be. I've first-hand experienced all three aspects of the bullying circle - the bully, the bullied, and the bystander.



Okay can I stop typing now? I'm getting cramps because I haven't eaten yet and I've been typing for like the past half an hour. I've only been awake for 45 minutes. ;_; Bamber am I done yet?


EDIT FROM LIKE 24 MINUTES AFTER POSTING THIS: I HONESTLY GOT NOTHING WHATSOEVER DONE IN THIS THREAD. LIKE YEAH, IT WAS INFORMATIVE, BUT IT HONESTLY SERVED NO PURPOSE OTHER THAN TO STAND HERE AND LOOK PRETTY. AND LONG, REALLY LONG.
...thats what she said.... I'm sorry I had to..
SO YEAH.
ACTUALLY, AFTER READING THIS AGAIN IT...
oh wait, i had caps lock on. GG. I'm too lazy to go back and retype that. Continuing..
Actually, after reading through my post again, I suppose it does give some purpose, but it doesn't take a clear stance on this issue. So just to clarify and summarize, I do personally believe that suicide and depression help-threads are OK, but only if the person is actually facing depression/suicidal thoughts, and wants help. Don't post it just to rant. (Even though I do post rant threads sometimes, which I really shouldn't.) So only post them threads if you want someone's help - don't post it just to express yourself, try to ask for advice on your situation, and actually take that advice and try to apply it in your personal life, and see if it helps. Otherwise, what's the point in talking about it? That's what friends are for, but if you're just taco 'bout it, just stick to Skype and TeamSpeak or something.
Edit from like 38 minutes after posting this: And before y'all go off about how I need God in my life or something, cause all I do is type long posts on a gaming forum and talk about how I was depressed... I just went Bible shopping yesterday, and I'm going to a church camp in August for two weeks in NY.

Lol yes, that's exactly what I wanted xD

 

[Harris|DareDevilMan1]

Literally just about to say that.

It's the internet, you can't stop people from seeking positive reinforcement.

I seriously don't give a crap, I just ignore them, but it can negatively affect some other people.. As I said, I don't give a crap. If it's a depression thread, ok, I will help you, but if it is for SUICIDE... I really don't know what to say. If you need help, there are numbers you can call with your telephone (it's 1 am, just came from a party, brain doesnt work) that have people that are specialized to help you.

 

[Deformed]

I'm just going to copy&paste a thread I made on 'The Hive' a while back, which gives my full opinion on depression&suicide, mostly pertaining to expressing it online.,,

Alright, I've noticed this a lot lately, and it's bothering me a fair bit. I finally decided it's time to post this and let my feelings be known.

Lately, I've noticed a few status messages and public posts regarding topics such as depression and suicide. This has not been a one-time occurance from one person, I've seen it on a daily basis from many people. On that note, I am not attacking anyone here, or attempting to hate on anyone. That being said, on with the thread.

As I've said, these posts have been quite bothersome for me lately, and I'm sure many other people. Suicide and depression obviously isn't a good thing, and probably isn't something you would go and discuss in public. I can (fully) understand why you might come online and talk about your feelings here: maybe this is the only place you can really 'let loose' and just talk about it, or maybe it is another reason. Whatever the case, I think it needs to stop.

I don't have a heart of stone; I totally feel bad for these depressed people. However, public posts on the forums are not the place for it. Not everyone can help you, not everyone knows how to react, and sadly enough, not everyone cares. I know this is harsh, but it's the truth. It's the internet, anyone can say anything, and they are hidden between bits and pieces of code and a computer screen. Anyone can pretend to be someone they aren't, and it isn't hard for people to shift their attitude a bit online. Besides that, posting it publicly has many negative repercussions. As I said, anyone can say anything. One negative comment from a troll, and your mindset is destroyed. It doesn't matter how many nice comments you get; one negative comment can really shatter your mood. While these rash comments are rare, I have seen them posted. They aren't completely foreign.

All of this is not to stop you from venting a bit. While I'd prefer that these scenarios be completely removed from the community in general, I understand that it may not be possible or really all that good, especially for the people who come online to escape from the hassles of reality and need to 'unwind' or vent a bit. Please, if you are depressed, don't express it publicly. While you may be looking for help, we can't truly help you. A large chunk of the community is probably in their early teenage years (13-15), and haven't actually experienced many of the bitter sides of life yet. Many people could claim to have knowledge about it, but really have no idea how to help you. There is a 'PM' feature on the forums. Feel free to invite some friends and talk with them. Not everyone can help, and besides, one negative comment can do a lot.

If you are depressed, get real help. There are qualified people who took special courses to help people such as yourself; use them! It's 100% confidential (they aren't going to go on Facebook and ridicule your issues). Talk with your parents as well. They care about you. (If your problem is your parents abuse you, then it may be wise to skip this idea). I'm no qualified professional, but it makes sense to me to seek help from people who can actually deliver sound, quality advice over the latter.

This is the end of my rant. Again, not attacking anyone or trying to flame anyone. I respect everyone and their issues, but this thread is really trying to inspire change and potentially help those who need it.


http://forum.hivemc.com/threads/to-the-depressed-people-on-the-hive.72698/

 

[Joel/MadDawg]

I'm currently taking health in summer school, and over the past few days I have learned a lot about suicide and depression. One thing that I will tell you straight off is that you don't seem to realize how serious an issue suicide is. In the United States suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death in 15-19 year olds. For every one teenager that dies of cancer, over three take their own lives. Yet in your posts, you tell people to stop posting about their problems because they are annoying. Yes, in your thread you ask people to stop sharing their struggles on these forums because you don't like going through posts about them. Think about how messed up that is for a second.

As for your concern that a large number of these posts are fishing for compliments, how can you prove that? I'd much rather treat everyone of these depression threads seriously than shrug every single one off and risk not giving support to someone that desperately needs it. I know their is a power in getting your problems off your chest. On friday, a girl in my health class opened up about her demons and the weight off the world seemed to come off her chest. She stood up in front of the whole class and talked about how her best friend had just died suddenly of cancer, how she had always been judged because of her short blonde hair that made her look like a guy (Admittedly I had judged her off of her looks when we first started the class), and how the stress from all of this had made her consider suicide every day for the past month. When she told our class this and we all came around and supported her, you could see all these built up emotions inside of her be released as she cried uncontrollably.

What's the point of this story? One of the best things that people in a dark place can do is let it all out. I have seen first hand that their is a power in it; letting your emotions run raw for everyone else. So when someone goes on these forums and shares the struggles they face, who are you to judge? Who are you to be annoyed that you have to scroll one more page now to find a thread you're interested in? Most likely they are just trying to let their emotions out and find positive people in a world that they see as negative.

As for the argument that "these forums are not a place to share that type of problem", some people literally can't tell anyone else. The mcsg forums is a safehaven for some people, a place where they can escape all the things that depress them in real life. A lot of people don't have a counselor or parent they can go to, and this is the only place where they feel safe enough to let out their struggles.

If someone goes onto the forums and says they are suicidal or depressed, don't shun them for making a thread here. Support them and listen to their problems as best as you can.