Admitting to Hacking in Chat

[Kauff]

So does the 7 day ban but it doesn't always stop people.

But a 7 day ban would put the offense on the same level as actually hacking.

I don't believe saying a possible lie or joke should be taken to the same severity as someone who actually hacked...

 

[Mirko]

7 days for a joke ;-;

 

[ViolentKitten]

7 days for a joke ;-;

Many people joke about internet - related threats and get permabanned.
We have strict rules for a reason, and do not take chances when someone does something like that.

I'm on my phone and cannot research the full details, but a while ago a fourteen year old girl tweeted to American Airlines stating that she was from a terrorist organisation and that they were 'planning something big'. As a result, she was quickly arrested.

Again, this is another exaggerated example but even those that joke may hack, and be a threat to the server.

 

[jonnysurvives]

lol story of my life

can't get mod cos i said 'lololoolololo i x-ray even though it look funny xDxxDxDdxdd'

most retarded rule

 

[Dexcom]

It's unreasonable to be banned for 7-days, for admitting to hacking in chat. It can't be compared to "Shouting fire in a crowded theater", which actually causes panic in a public setting. There are worse things to say in the chat that you can't get banned for, but in this case, "admitting to hacks in chat" or generally speaking, you're getting banned for lying in chat. It is clearly absurd. This is naturally a problem for everyone because not all users read the rules word for word. There are also unsaid rules that we publicly are not aware of. I first thought this rule was absurd when I first started playing on MCSG and a friend of mine was banned for 7-days because he typed "I hack" in the chat. This was on the second video I record on the MCSG servers. Till this day I still do not agree with it 100%. I understand why this rule is implemented to increase the safety of the users, but a 7-day ban is unreasonable. There are worse things you can do to receive a 7-day ban. Ninety percent of new users coming to play on the MCSG servers will never know of this rule. Something along the lines of 3-day ban is much more sensible.

This is my honest opinion of how I feel how this rule and what changes should be made to better the community.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

I approve of that message

 

[Crackling]

So here's my take on it:
In any other game, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Call of Duty, you name it, people joke about hacks all the time. Yeah, I know they are different kinds of games, but they are all games afterall. So, say if I was to tell my opponents in any of those games that I was hacking (just jokingly), what would happen? *Drumroll*... NOTHING! Now what makes these communities and games work so different from Minecraft?

The hacker situation is the answer. In the other games, the amount of hackers is very low, if not non-existant. So considering there barely are hackers in those games, nobody really cares if people joke about it, or even if they see a hacker once in a while, as it doesn't really change their experience all the way to the negatives. Back to Minecraft, people are paranoid, and everyone fears the worst: meeting a hacker, as the chances are high that you will meet one every game. And because of this, it seems way more realistic to people than before that people who say that they are hacking, actually are. Even the staff gets tricked by this: "i hav big aimbot", no longer is something to laugh about, it is dead serious, and the YouTuber who has referred thousands of legitimate players who want to have fun into the game, will be banned for that joke. What happens? His fans leave, and the hacker:legit ratio goes even higher in favor of the hackers. This applies to smaller groups of friends where one friend gets banned too.

I really don't think innocent people who have served the servers (see what I did there?) income and growth, and spent tons of time on them, should be banned, just because a staff member pretends like *he has a terrible sence of humour, just to make the job easier for him/herself.

 

[TheAfroNinja]

.-.

 

[Res]

Unfortunately, the rule specifically says 1that admitting to hacks, even jokingly, is punishable. We aren't sure if the person is joking or not, so we can take no chance. Let's imagine that saying stupid will get you banned. Say that you told your friend that he's stupid because he fell for the alt f4 trick and meant it in a joking way. Guess what, it's not allowed and will then get you banned. This go same for admitting to hacks. Maybe the punishment is too harsh, but there are people who are hacking that have admitted to hacking. Punishing them for a less time will give them 3 offenses before getting perm banned, which is unfair to those who have hacked and got perm banned after 2 offenses. I hope you can understand what I mean, also sorry for any grammer mistakes I'm on my phone.

I think admitting to hacks 99.99% of the time is a joke. Most hackers deny it or don't respond.

It's unreasonable to be banned for 7-days, for admitting to hacking in chat. It can't be compared to "Shouting fire in a crowded theater", which actually causes panic in a public setting. There are worse things to say in the chat that you can't get banned for, but in this case, "admitting to hacks in chat" or generally speaking, you're getting banned for lying in chat. It is clearly absurd. This is naturally a problem for everyone because not all users read the rules word for word. There are also unsaid rules that we publicly are not aware of. I first thought this rule was absurd when I first started playing on MCSG and a friend of mine was banned for 7-days because he typed "I hack" in the chat. This was on the second video I record on the MCSG servers. Till this day I still do not agree with it 100%. I understand why this rule is implemented to increase the safety of the users, but a 7-day ban is unreasonable. There are worse things you can do to receive a 7-day ban. Ninety percent of new users coming to play on the MCSG servers will never know of this rule. Something along the lines of 3-day ban is much more sensible.

This is my honest opinion of how I feel how this rule and what changes should be made to better the community.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

I don't think this should be a bannable offense at all, because most people admitting to hacks are joking. The staff should be able to see that and take a joke instead of unreasonably banning someone for trying to be humorous.

 

[ViolentKitten]

So here's my take on it:
In any other game, Counter Strike, League of Legends, Call of Duty, you name it, people joke about hacks all the time. Yeah, I know they are different kinds of games, but they are all games afterall. So, say if I was to tell my opponents in any of those games that I was hacking (just jokingly), what would happen? *Drumroll*... NOTHING! Now what makes these communities and games work so different from Minecraft?

The hacker situation is the answer. In the other games, the amount of hackers is very low, if not non-existant. So considering there barely are hackers in those games, nobody really cares if people joke about it, or even if they see a hacker once in a while, as it doesn't really change their experience all the way to the negatives. Back to Minecraft, people are paranoid, and everyone fears the worst: meeting a hacker, as the chances are high that you will meet one every game. And because of this, it seems way more realistic to people than before that people who say that they are hacking, actually are. Even the staff gets tricked by this: "i hav big aimbot", no longer is something to laugh about, it is dead serious, and the YouTuber who has referred thousands of legitimate players who want to have fun into the game, will be banned for that joke. What happens? His fans leave, and the hacker:legit ratio goes even higher in favor of the hackers. This applies to smaller groups of friends where one friend gets banned too.

I really don't think innocent people who have served the servers (see what I did there?) income and growth, and spent tons of time on them, should be banned, just because a staff member pretends like *he has a terrible sence of humour, just to make the job easier for him/herself.

Really great take on the issue, hadn't thought about that really.
With the amount of joking that happens, and the amount of unfair bans, the amount of hackers that admit compared to joking players seems to be pretty even, and it is impractical to have a rule that bans unfair players.

I'll think about this more and write a detailed response.

 

[LieutenantIV]

This is naturally a problem for everyone becausenot all users read the rules word for word

I wasn't aware it was possible to flaw an entire argument in one sentence, but apparently it is. If users don't read the rules word for word, that is their problem.

Rest of your arguments were.. meh. To say I completely disagree with everything you say would be a lie.

I completely agree, I think 7 days is too long, if this player gets banned for 7 days, the might migrate to a different sg server

We lost a rulebreaker? I'd say that's a profit in the checkbook.

Actually to convict someone of the crime, you would need some evidence, not just a confession alone.

You sure? Are you positive you can go tell a police officer you killed someone and you'll get off free?

Because I wouldn't want them banned over a message that could've easily been in a joking manner.

So if I told someone to jump off a cliff and die, I could get let off because I was 'joking'? The same thing applies here. We don't know if they are joking or not. There's no way to tell, so please don't pull the argument that "most of them just say that they are hacking, but aren't."

But a 7 day ban would put the offense on the same level as actually hacking.

I don't believe saying a possible lie or joke should be taken to the same severity as someone who actually hacked...

Again, your going off the assumption that the person who said they hack actually isn't. How do you know that? Again, they could easily be hacking, and subsequently admitting to it.. so technically, the one week punishment is perfectly legitimate.

I really don't think innocent people who have served the servers (see what I did there?) income and growth, and spent tons of time on them, should be banned, just because a staff member pretends like *he has a terrible sence of humour, just to make the job easier for him/herself.

So, from my understanding, YTers who bring people to the server and / or donators should get an extra warning because of their contributions to the server?

Yeah, I'll take a pass on that, too.

I don't think this should be a bannable offense at all, because most people admitting to hacks are joking. The staff should be able to see that and take a joke instead of unreasonably banning someone for trying to be humorous.

"The staff should be able to take a joke instead of unreasonably banning someone for trying to be humorous."
Did you actually just say that?

As for your statistic of "99.99% of these people are joking", I'm highly interesting in seeing where you accumulated that data, because that's an impossible number to achieve. Perhaps one person is joking when they say it, but for all we know, Bobby over here really does hack and enjoys bragging about it. Believe me, I see the latter more than the first possibility.

Overall, it's a fair rule. Unless someone can convince me that every single player that has said "I hack" actually doesn't hack, then I will happily change my opinions. Until then, keep the rule, keep the length.

 

[TheOnlyChanse]

95% these kids dont agree just following huahwi

 

[Metalclaw | Jordan]

But it is more the point that it doesn't STOP them directly from hacking. People install hacks to win, most wouldn't care about talking in chat.

The 7 day ban is in place to show these people that have no tolerance for people that hack, but people disregard this.

Hacking is an epidemic in this server. Whether people are joking or not, it is more important to ban everyone who breaks this rule, even if it means a few people who do not back get banned (They can always dispute, right? )

This is off topic, but I see many hackers deny that they are hacking, from what I got from this post is that most hackers don't talk in chat, I usually see hackers get really defensive and deny that they are hacking, which most likely informs me more that they are hacking, but maybe in different regions they don't bother to talk.