The God Debate v2

[boboy1999]

No I actually don't, I just find it highly unlikely that we actually got something right first try, but then again. I really don't know much about the big bang.

If you don't know much about the big bang and evolution then why are you trying to argue against it?

 

[ChibiGoose]

If you don't know much about the big bang and evolution then why are you trying to argue against it?

I'm not, I'm saying if I wasn't a God believer I would find as much data myself, and believe what I find is likely. This could possibly be a completely different theory. I really don't know.

 

[boboy1999]

I'm not, I'm saying if I wasn't a God believer I would find as much data myself, and believe what I find is likely. This could possibly be a completely different theory. I really don't know.

So because you are a believer you don't want to know about the facts? Why is it more likely? Under what terms and evidence is it likely that there is a God? It is more unlikely than any other theory scientists have come up with.

 

[ChibiGoose]

So because you are a believer you don't want to know about the facts? Why is it more likely? Under what terms and evidence is it likely that there is a God?

I just can't come to believe all of what exists they way it does, came by chance. Can you understand that? I don't view humans has some super being that will know everything and find answers to everything. I just have to believe for somethings.

 

[BaccaBoy1999]

I mean no offense to you Baccaboy. Please forgive me.
I do know what goes through a believer's mine as I once believed in a God. I saw the evidence and examined it carefully. All this thread is allowing to look at the evidence and choose a side. Something at one point convinced me there is no God. This thread allows people to see both sides and make a choice. Hey you never know, you might convince me there is a God but show me the evidence and tell me why I should. I am open minded.

I was convinced at one point in my life so why can't anyone else? Im not expecting people to make up their mind with a snap of a finger but please listen to what I'm saying and really think about it . You are being very closed minded. You are speaking for every christian here saying that they will not change their mind if they look at the facts. That is absolutely not true and a very ignorant thing to say. You may be closed minded but not every christian is that way. We should all look at all possible types of evidence and make up our own minds. Some people here may be in the middle. Let this debate help them choose. Don't come here an speak for all religious people.
No disrespect.

Did I ever Ultimate Fishing Rod Of Doom say I spoke for every religous person? no! bunnies off

 

[Tenebrous]

I just can't come to believe all of what exists they way it does, came by chance. Can you understand that? I don't view humans has some super being that will know everything and find answers to everything. I just have to believe for somethings.

I think you don't know...
And also no scientist thinks something came from nothing xD
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR IT TO HAPPEN VIA QUANTUM FLUCTUATIONS
We don't know what started the big bang but we already have several models such as the ekpyrotic universe.

 

[boboy1999]

Did I ever Ultimate Fishing Rod Of Doom say I spoke for every religous person? no! bunnies off

I've seen that vid

It was less about me being closed minded, but more in the fact that how does this thread accomplish anything. If its just people not listening to each others points and saying the same crap over and over, why would you expect any different result. I don't hate atheists, its more of an ideology of "I don't care, atheists can do what they want as long as it doesn't effect me" and this basically is just having you atheists get involved with our buisness. Nobody asked for your "facts", or "beliefs"
If you believe in god, ok. If you don't, ok.
End it at that.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR DEBATE. IF YOU ALREADY BELIEVE SOMETHING, THEN YOU WON'T JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND WITH THE SNAP OF A FINGER.

You basically said if you believe in a God than you won't change your mind with a debate. You are saying there is no point for a debate because religious people won't change their mind. Religious people can change their mind and that is the reason why there is a need for a debate. Speak for yourself. If you won't change your mind the there is not reason for you to read this thread but other may change their mind, thats why there is a need for this debate.

I just can't come to believe all of what exists they way it does, came by chance. Can you understand that? I don't view humans has some super being that will know everything and find answers to everything. I just have to believe for somethings.

If you want to put it that way, things did come by sort of chance. There was also natural selection which isn't by chance and plays a huge part in evolution. Just because something is hard to understand doesn't mean you make up something ridiculous like God. If we don't understand something we say, I don't know but I will try to find the answer.

We don't say "I don't know so let me make up something random for the answer". We learn and try to find answers to complicated things, not make up a God to fill the place of what we don't know. It seems very unlikely to you because you don't know anything about it and you have admitted that you don't know about the big bang and evolution.

 

[ChibiGoose]

If you want to put it that way, things did come by sort of chance. There was also natural selection which isn't by chance and plays a huge part in evolution. Just because something is hard to understand doesn't mean you make up something ridiculous like God. If we don't understand something we say, I don't know but I will try to find the answer.

We don't say I don't know so let me make up something random. We learn and try to find answers to complicated things, not come up with a God to fill the place of what we don't know. It seems very unlikely to you because you don't know anything about it and you have admitted that you don't know about the big bang and evolution.

I'm also under the impression that since we were created in this universe, and everything we know is inside of it. We may not ever fully know what started it, for all we know there could be multiple universes with something that created all them. It's like if you lived in one room your whole life, you could try to take things in the room and understand what created it, but you may never know for sure.

 

[boboy1999]

I'm also under the impression that since we were created in this universe, and everything we know is inside of it. We may not ever fully know what started it, for all we know there could be multiple universes with something that created all them.

Atheist are much happier to say "I don't know" than "I don't know so God must have done it."
Thats what atheism is all about. There isn't any evidence for God and there isn't enough evidence to explain everything. We are learning new things every day and discovering new things. Its fascinating to think about the universe, solving this is like a puzzle. Id much rather everyone say I don't know so hey lets try to find out. Science has discovered a ton of new things over the last 100 years and we are discovering new thing every day. Please don't fill in the gaps with something that like God. If we all say God did it then why is it necessary to find the answer out.

 

[Tenebrous]

I'm also under the impression that since we were created in this universe, and everything we know is inside of it. We may not ever fully know what started it, for all we know there could be multiple universes with something that created all them. It's like if you lived in one room your whole life, you could try to take things in the room and understand what created it, but you may never know for sure.

The big bang happened and so did evolution.
Instead of "insulting" people who spend their entire lives working on the most fundamental problem that we know, how about you go read about it.
Here I'll even give you a real scientific paper: http://physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/vaasrev.pdf

 

[boboy1999]

I'm also under the impression that since we were created in this universe, and everything we know is inside of it. We may not ever fully know what started it, for all we know there could be multiple universes with something that created all them. It's like if you lived in one room your whole life, you could try to take things in the room and understand what created it, but you may never know for sure.

If you are further interested. Here is a very good book written by Richard Dawkins an evolutionary biologist. He says by the end of the book you guarantees you won't believe in God. Ive read it twice. He is truly a genius and has written this book for everyday people like you and me to understand. An amazing book I recommend everyone should read is you are interested in this kind of stuff. Enjoy

The book is here

 

[ChibiGoose]

If you are further interested. Here is a very good book written by Richard Dawkins an evolutionary biologist. He says by the end of the book you guarantees you won't believe in God. Ive read it twice. He is truly a genius and has written this book for everyday people like you and me to understand. An amazing book I recommend everyone should read is you are interested in this kind of stuff. Enjoy

The book is here

Trying to change someone's beliefs? That's a scum move, I'm outties.