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I've encountered some people with amazing levels of commitment and skill that would be a perfect candidate for moderator once they're of age, e.g. Korrenian. I've known him for a while now and I do know that he would make a great moderator but he's simply not old enough based on the responsibilities he would inherit by being promoted to moderator. I cannot honestly say exceptions to the 15 year old rule need to be made to be fair to people like Korrenian because of the numerous reasons I've stated in this post and many before in this very thread. In conclusion, exceptions to the rule of age shouldn't be made as younger individuals simply lack the maturity*
to fulfill their duties as a moderator. Got a quick bite back for you there Aellios. Tell this to Tironas.
 

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In reply to Aellios.
I agree with you on the fact that no civilized culture would allow or accept children in the army, however I did not mention the army in that scenario once, compare it more to more a post-apocalyptic group, similar to the cast of the Walking Dead. The point I failed to get across is that as Korrenian stated that in some situations there can be exceptions, in the scenario given, surely if the society was still standing the governing body would deny the child of a reasonable age to infiltrate the pharmacy, but if a life was at risk and normal had crashed and burned would they deny the child who could save their friend at reasonable ease and the means to do so rapidly and efficiently? There is a secondary point that I hinted at and slowly fed in, is that age is a number and it's experience that makes a person who they are.

I understand that children, more so than adults behave more immaturely around friends and when they have lost, but as you have said yourself, both Adults and children alike share these traits, I'm sure there are numerous videos of people (Adults and children) rage-quitting games, people only quit in these situations because they don't have the power to abolish the opposition and crush them at ease, this is the same with children only children lose heart and cry more easily. If what your hinting at is that when children lose in the games they will be envious and abuse their power totally and utterly then I must correct you in saying that children are not all so spiteful. In addition your point about "mediocre decision making" is a little off, in assessments nowadays in schools, especially in Geography and History depend on making a decision and backing it up with cold hard fact and your opinions and thoughts, I know people in my classes and Sets achieving the grades of 15 year olds on these assessments, me being (possibly,) one of them. I know what your saying about reflecting on the community et cetera but to be honest haven't adults in the past made mistakes too, as I also stated in my post, both age groups are prone to failures and mistakes.

Your next paragraph pertains to inappropriate content. If your child has seen the internet, they are ready for anything, do you think workers at GAME only sell 18 games to people over 18? I am 12 and I could walk into a shop and buy an 18 rated game no problem, in fact I have done sometimes, does that make the store corrupt? Maybe. But to be honest, in a world were most of my class know 50 positions, I think we've reached the bottom of the barrel of beer and now have begun serving dirt filled with water.

Your last TWO paragraphs summarize your general stance on this subject. But then again your denying exceptions once more. No opinion is wrong, but I see holes in yours so it looks as if I'm looking at Swiss cheese. "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment, no? Christians live by these holy rules. 10 of them (Or if it is true, a good 433), but usually all are just one line, if we lived by JUST the word of god, if a man were to stumble into the home of a student, decree that he himself was an assassin is an assassin and this is his first "mission", slash at the student with a knife and cuts a large gash, only for the student to pick up the baseball back and forcefully bash the assassin over the head only to find out he had killed the man. Would the Murderer of the Murderer be hung for his actions? If we lived by the words spoken by the tongue of god the creator, the almost assassinated man would die and be hung in clear view, but nowadays there are court cases where the man would walk free. This is an exception to the commandments, but is looked upon as a reasonable one.

In this argument until someone in the hierarchy who can take action comes and acts upon either one of our sides desired actions.


We're crying in the acid rain.
It's pointless.
But we're just going to get hurt until we get over ourselves and get inside.
 
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MrKorrenian

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I love seeing people like you all posting on my threads like this. When I started this I had some hope maybe the senior staff would discuss this and maybe reconsider. I now have a new sight on this thread. This is where we can all let our opinions in a civilized manner without bringing foul language. I think that survival games might just need a change in the community like all of you dedicated, honest people. As far as i've seen this thread has accomplished it's mission. So answer me this. Should I ask someone to lock it?
 

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Korrenian, to be honest, as long as two sides have something to fight about, then they will debate and fight about it. Don't lock it, we got so many points left to exhaust.
 

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I agree with you on the fact that no civilized culture would allow or accept children in the army, however I did not mention the army in that scenario once, compare it more to more a post-apocalyptic group, similar to the cast of the Walking Dead. The point I failed to get across is that as Korrenian stated that in some situations there can be exceptions, in the scenario given, surely if the society was still standing the governing body would deny the child of a reasonable age to infiltrate the pharmacy, but if a life was at risk and normal had crashed and burned would they deny the child who could save their friend at reasonable ease and the means to do so rapidly and efficiently? There is a secondary point that I hinted at and slowly fed in, is that age is a number and it's experience that makes a person who they are.

I understand that children, more so than adults behave more immaturely around friends and when they have lost, but as you have said yourself, both Adults and children alike share these traits, I'm sure there are numerous videos of people (Adults and children) rage-quitting games, people only quit in these situations because they don't have the power to abolish the opposition and crush them at ease, this is the same with children only children lose heart and cry more easily. If what your hinting at is that when children lose in the games they will be envious and abuse their power totally and utterly then I must correct you in saying that children are not all so spiteful. In addition your point about "mediocre decision making" is a little off, in assessments nowadays in schools, especially in Geography and History depend on making a decision and backing it up with cold hard fact and your opinions and thoughts, I know people in my classes and Sets achieving the grades of 15 year olds on these assessments, me being (possibly,) one of them. I know what your saying about reflecting on the community et cetera but to be honest haven't adults in the past made mistakes too, as I also stated in my post, both age groups are prone to failures and mistakes.

Your next paragraph pertains to inappropriate content. If your child has seen the internet, they are ready for anything, do you think workers at GAME only sell 18 games to people over 18? I am 12 and I could walk into a shop and buy an 18 rated game no problem, in fact I have done sometimes, does that make the store corrupt? Maybe. But to be honest, in a world were most of my class know 50 positions, I think we've reached the bottom of the barrel of beer and now have begun serving dirt filled with water.

Your last TWO paragraphs summarize your general stance on this subject. But then again your denying exceptions once more. No opinion is wrong, but I see holes in yours so it looks as if I'm looking at Swiss cheese. "Thou shalt not kill" is a commandment, no? Christians live by these holy rules. 10 of them (Or if it is true, a good 433), but usually all are just one line, if we lived by JUST the word of god, if a man were to stumble into the home of a student, decree that he himself was an assassin is an assassin and this is his first "mission", slash at the student with a knife and cuts a large gash, only for the student to pick up the baseball back and forcefully bash the assassin over the head only to find out he had killed the man. Would the Murderer of the Murderer be hung for his actions? If we lived by the words spoken by the tongue of god the creator, the almost assassinated man would die and be hung in clear view, but nowadays there are court cases where the man would walk free. This is an exception to the commandments, but is looked upon as a reasonable one.

In this argument until someone in the hierarchy who can take action comes and acts upon either one of our sides desired actions.


We're crying in the acid rain.
It's pointless.
But we're just going to get hurt until we get over ourselves and get inside.

The whole allusion to the walking dead and post apocalyptic life has nothing to do with this discussion at all what so ever, other than to create a fictional scenario in which a child happens to also be more mature, which might I remind you is backing your argument with fiction, not fact. Secondly when you address my opinion on mature content you say that you're able to go buy games that are rated M, believe it or not this does in fact make the store corrupt and opens them up to many legal issues if one were to pursue. The way you're viewing this is "If everyone's allowing why aren't you?" and with this form of ideology we might as well allow players to curse freely and use other forms of deprave speech. To believe such a way to be correct is absolutely burlesque. Finally I don't quite understand how you've managed to get so off track as to being alluding to the bible here, as nothing I mentioned anywhere in this thread pertains to the bible or religion in any way. You say that no opinion is wrong and follow up by saying that mine is far from right, which would mean it's wrong, no? You mention how it's as holey as swiss cheese but you've no support to back what you're saying there was no real response to anything I've said just absurd allusions into unrelated subjects.
 

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I've just read through this topic and I must congratulate everyone on their very excellent arguments. But this is easily my favourite as it expresses exactly the point in the topic itself. First I would like to agree to the fact that the mods are constantly travelling in packs of 2-3 even four in the case of a few, this not only builds tension on the players themselves but reduces the chances of finding abusive players. I also personally find this very unprofessional and I have actually stated this to a few of them myself. My constant answer is things like, "It Doesnt matter" "Grow Up and stop complaining" etc etc. But EXTREMELY unprofessionally I have had responses like, "Girls just want to have fun" "Mods like to party together" "I will kick you if you dont stop annoying us"

I am sick and tired of it, honestly it is so unprofessional and rude for such pristine members of MCSG to be acting this way. Obviously the point iBilbo is trying to make is that Moderators should not be judged on their age, but their maturity and record on the MCSG servers. It should also be judged on their willingness to help out on the servers.
Also as a note, I am not talking about ALL the mods, the majority of you are doing an excellent job, but quite honestly, playing on the au servers myself, the mods that play on the au servers are very much like what I have stated above and this is unfortunately all I ever see from moderators anymore. I cant wait to see the agument against me :D Thanks if you read this through your awesome...

This is in response to both Howsie22 if you see moderators playing together and bring this up as an issue against them then that's sheer foolishness. As moderators we donate time to help moderate the servers, forums, etc. But we are by no means bound to our positions 24/7 we have just as much right as anyone else to play mcsg and to play it together. Whenever we are on the servers together we're usually just enjoying our selves because we've nothing better to do at that moment. If player's poke us on ts reporting a hacker, we obviously go to them and do our duties to moderate. We're not paid to do this nor are we slaves, we're people just as much as anyone and are allowed to enjoy the servers and community we help support by donating our time. This doesn't however address the issue of unprofessional comments made by staff to you, if you're having problems with a moderator at any time then feel free to report that to senior staff.

On as side note I'd like to point out that this thread is about making exceptions for people below the age of 15 when in reference to applying for a staff position on mcsg, not about moderators teaming or acting unprofessional.
 

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The point I am trying to make is this: Most 12-14 year olds are immature, and are not worthy. However there are some who really make great mods. I think that there should be a much more involved process with becoming a mod. The application should remain the same, and if the person has potential, but is underage, there should be a further process like a trial moderator position. They could have the power to kick people for swearing, caps, and other offenses like that but no banning. These people would be closely watched by a senior moderator and if they do a good job after a week or two they could be a moderator. If they proved to be immature, they wouldn't become a mod.

Maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe I'm out of my mind. Maybe I'm being immature myself. I just think that the process could use some revision.

The system isn't perfect I'll agree with you on that, but the process you suggest would be time consuming and just add more things to do on top of what can all ready be slightly overwhelming for senior staff. It's much easier and simple to just hire moderators of a higher age group as they most likely wouldn't need someone to look over them while they do their jobs. If we had all the time in the world and way more senior staff then I could see a system like you've suggested the only issue is that we have our lives, work, school, friends, and family to attend to and this would just be another unnecessary responsibility for senior moderators.
 

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"The whole allusion to the walking dead and post apocalyptic life has nothing to do with this discussion at all what so ever, other than to create a fictional scenario in which a child happens to also be more mature, which might I remind you is backing your argument with fiction, not fact. Secondly when you address my opinion on mature content you say that you're able to go buy games that are rated M, believe it or not this does in fact make the store corrupt and opens them up to many legal issues if one were to pursue. The way you're viewing this is "If everyone's allowing why aren't you?" and with this form of ideology we might as well allow players to curse freely and use other forms of deprave speech. To believe such a way to be correct is absolutely burlesque. Finally I don't quite understand how you've managed to get so off track as to being alluding to the bible here, as nothing I mentioned anywhere in this thread pertains to the bible or religion in any way. You say that no opinion is wrong and follow up by saying that mine is far from right, which would mean it's wrong, no? You mention how it's as holey as swiss cheese but you've no support to back what you're saying there was no real response to anything I've said just absurd allusions into unrelated subjects."

The scenarios I have created are used to explain my opinions, much like the works of Shakespeare, at first glance they are just stories from 100-200 years ago, but the meanings and morals are easily translatable which gives them impact despite their age. If you want to me to simply blurt out my opinions without giving you situations they apply in, I will. I understand the corrupt store things, but honestly it was a statement to show that almost everything on the internet is open to everyone, despite sites being age restricted you can just simply lie, and they really don't have the means to find out, or can be bothered to do so. Can I add that the ideology you state I have doesn't appear in my text in the slightest, and if it does, then that is honestly not the point I'm trying to make. The bible thing is a way of showing that all rules, no matter how blunt or final they are will always come with exceptions. When I say "far from right" I mean "far from right, in my view", your picking at the bones of my argument now, so this is just getting petty. I responded entirely to your opinions, but then again, opinions are thoughts, and I've used scenarios to express where my opinions would be beneficial.
I don't get what I've said to make you seemingly annoyed with me, "just absurd allusions into unrelated subjects" sounds your not seeing past the text, not looking at the bigger picture. If you don't want metaphors and scenarios and criticisms then feel free to ignore them.
 

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Neither of us can really do anything here. Your not going to change your opinion, neither am I.
I'll still debate, which is all this really has become, but it will be fruitless.
 

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Neither of us can really do anything here. Your not going to change your opinion, neither am I.
I'll still debate, which is all this really has become, but it will be fruitless.
It's been a debate for quite some time now, there isn't a need to further the debate as you've said it would be fruitless. Both sides have expressed their opinions of the subject and it's become something seemingly more personal so I will not continue here. The real point is to show both sides evenly for people to review and form their own opinions later.
 
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