It's Time for You to Step Down; an open letter to Chad

[Beardy]

How would him resigning change much? From my knowledge, the server is mostly run by the admins and Chad just has the title and is the founder, for which I'm grateful, but I feel like it would just be unnecessary drama.

 

[Giggums]

I'd rather not because I don't want this thread to end like 'all the others', but if you insist.

Well, if you are wanting to have a discussion on this topic, you have to explain why you disagree. That's how decisions are reached and how your view point is shared. The unwillingness to offer is what you find a major problem here afterall.

Indeed it is, no change that has been worth it has been completely perfect. Here's the flaw with that: if we decide that we aren't going to pursue change because things 'might' go wrong, then we've already lost. The vision has been lost, your aspirations and goals go down the drain. This is just one idea that I feel will bring positive change to the community.

Valid point, legal work and behind-the-scenes business transfers do take up more time indeed and it's something that should be considered. Once sorted though then the issues will be resolved at a much more rapid pace IMO

I say any of the administrators of any of the most popular servers would be capable enough. If Chad were to announce that he would sell, I'm sure there would be more people than you think that would be willing to at least make an offer.

As you were discussing "Mights," you are also suggesting a Might. That the new Owner MIGHT be better than what we currently have. It is just as possible that any new Leadership is worse than you imagine Chad to be. You cannot just assume that anyone new to take over would just be better. And again, from what I understand, you want to have this community flourish. If it is bought out by someone else, it is now a completely different community.

True, but he's still making too many mistakes. Just because someone does things in the background doesn't mean that their mistakes get written off because 'OH, he does things we dont see so those mistakes don't matter'.

I'm sorry to give you such a generic response here, but everone makes mistakes. And it is not always a mistake that Chad makes. You are right, though. Enough right decisions do not cover up the wrong decisions. However, it does not change the fact that I stated before.

Hypickle, Mineplex, GommeHD, Hive, Badlion... I could go on. There are lots of successful servers with real business models that are proven to work. Unfortunately they tend to go down the freemium model that has proven to work VERY effectively on mobile devices, but it's still a proven model nonetheless.

Yes, they are successful servers, but they too are experimental. They are new. I am not 100% certain about this, but I'm fairly certain that all of those are also under the 4 year mark. Most being newer than MCGamer (MCSG) is. They have not perfected a model. They all run so wildly differently. It has worked for their goals and that is great for them, but again it is different than what MCGamer offers.

See, I don't agree this is a good mindset to have because the community is completely competitive now. Look at all the representative youtubers and streamers and name ONE that is 'family friendly' and I will change my mind. I dare you.

The content that MCGame offers and the community that you associate with are two completely different things. We attract a certain crowd, but that does not change the fact that the intention is to offer content that is family friendly.

That's a logical fallacy; something's worked before, so it's obviously going to work now. The thing is, the MCGamer community (and loosely Minecraft as a whole) has become more of a competitive community who plays for the PVP instead of 4 years ago, where the focus was to replicate the Hunger Games books as closely as possible. The gameplay and community are completely different than what it used to be, so I don't honestly think that it would continue to be successful. I don't want to see MCG suffer the same fate as Multicube and be forced to shut down due to lack of funds; this is what I see as a preventative measure.

Had I made a direct claim stating that it will live on due to it's survival in the past, then yes, it would be a logical falicy. However, I stated that it would "not be a stretch of the imagination" and for the community to trust in the network that has provided what it has for the past 4 years. But are we discussing how this would improve/degrade the network or debate tactics?

 

[ToxicBlaze]

How would him resigning change much? From my knowledge, the server is mostly run by the admins and Chad just has the title and is the founder, for which I'm grateful, but I feel like it would just be unnecessary drama.

+1

Jusser

 

[Jusser]

But are we discussing how this would improve/degrade the network or debate tactics?

Sometimes I like to use big words I don't understand to make me sound more photosynthesis... :^) again I'm not wanting to debate people really but I just think that if MCG continues on the road it's going down, things are only going to get worse. Why, then, should we keep things the way they are? Not getting a co-owner because he 'might' be bad is like not selling a car because things 'might' go wrong or not getting married because you 'might' divorce. Certainly some people might think this way and could argue that effectively, it's just not my viewpoint at all. I think we need to try things and, when something's not working, we should stop doing that and try something else. Right now what MCgamer is doing is NOT working.

About the 'experimental server' thing, I disagree in that I see the structures of how the servers work to be very similar. You have the community, some sort of donation rank, moderator/helper to ban hackers and mute players, a staff management/sr mod rank, an administration rank, developers, builders, and finally the owner. With the staff structures being quite similar in between servers I can't really grasp you saying that the servers are 'experimental' and 'wildly different'

How would him resigning change much? From my knowledge, the server is mostly run by the admins and Chad just has the title and is the founder, for which I'm grateful, but I feel like it would just be unnecessary drama.

+1

Jusser

Sheesh give me a minute, there's a lot of people writing really long and thoughtful responses and I can't get to them all right away! Haha

I think it would change things because I believe that the current administration and ownership are proving they aren't qualified to see the business grow and succeed with the community that Minecraft provides. With a new ownership that has a different perspective than the somewhat-sheltered MCGamer players have, I feel that the changes that don't appeal to the community we have will be quickly removed. New ownership brings a new server and changes that will, for better or for worse, change MCGamer forever. That's why I feel a new owner would change things.

Now, for TotalDramaTony's post:

Hello everyone. as a former Sr. Staff member, hopefully I can give you all some insight.

Chad is the owner, and like owners of large companies do, they distribute powers to someone that will be right below them, for Chad, he gives a lot of power to the admins. Chad could not possibly manage this entire network and each aspect of it including the staff and devs, so he assigns roles and gives authority to more people. For a lot of decisions for the network, Chad is not even needed. The admins can do a LOT on their own and so they do not need Chad in the first place.

Yes, the admins can do most things. Not many successful businesses happen because the CEO kicks up his feet and chooses to not be involved. If he has to do that for a short period of time, then that's fine. But without visions and goals and plans, projects die.

In saying Chad is not around that much, it is true for the community, he does not appear in the community very often, however, he is around to a degree for the upper staff. Issues with servers, communication between the Admins and Devs, he is around for, but he can not be consistently around on the lower levels at all times, that's impossible for anyone unless they can dedicate 24 hours a day to the server.

MasterGberry and Archybot do a pretty damn good job of it and their server's now getting close to 4x the size of MCG

All in all, Chad does do things that the community does not see and will never be able to truly appreciate, like paying for the servers, getting licences, making sure people get their donors, it's the behind the scenes things.

The competition has a system where players automatically get their donator ranks upon processing; it's all done by plugins and code. Would MCG think of doing something like that? Nope

Granted, he is not around in places that the mods, community or Sr. Mod team see very often, but he is around. In my opinion, a new owner would be cool, but unnecessary, I think a better answer would be a new local admin. Someone like Col. Star who can keep up with Chad directly and keep up with even more aspects of the community. Col. Star is basically what the community would like Chad to be, but thing is he can never be. Col was not responsible for some of the things Chad was, so he has different responsibilities instead such as helping manage the community and overseeing staff affairs, something Chad does not do, but has invested that power into the current admins.

Good point, but his replacement doesn't do that at all, instead he pretty much only does backend stuff. Most people don't even know he exists

In conclusion, a new local admin would be the best addition for this community and could help a lot of the issues that people tend to blame on Chad.

That's your opinion :^) That will certainly help but it wont solve all the problems

 

[Giggums]

Sometimes I like to use big words I don't understand to make me sound more photosynthesis... :^) again I'm not wanting to debate people really but I just think that if MCG continues on the road it's going down, things are only going to get worse. Why, then, should we keep things the way they are? Not getting a co-owner because he 'might' be bad is like not selling a car because things 'might' go wrong or not getting married because you 'might' divorce. Certainly some people might think this way and could argue that effectively, it's just not my viewpoint at all. I think we need to try things and, when something's not working, we should stop doing that and try something else. Right now what MCgamer is doing is NOT working.

I'm not saying that we don't need to change. The idea proposed here, however, is not what is best for the network. As Beardy stated, a change in Ownership would not change much other than cause unnecessary drama. And as TotalDramaTony said, the Admins and Sr. Mods could mostly handle the issues where Chad brings us the Big Picture things. I also agree with what Tony said about needing a new local Admin. Col. Star's job was to be a direct link from Chad to the community. I think I can speak for everyone mostly when I say that Col did his job amazingly well and it was great for this community.

About the 'experimental server' thing, I disagree in that I see the structures of how the servers work to be very similar. You have the community, some sort of donation rank, moderator/helper to ban hackers and mute players, a staff management/sr mod rank, an administration rank, developers, builders, and finally the owner. With the staff structures being quite similar in between servers I can't really grasp you saying that the servers are 'experimental' and 'wildly different'

There is much more to a network's structure than how it runs it's staff team. Even then, not all networks use that system. If you mean a hiearchy in general, yes. Take Mineplex for instnace, though. Their staff set up is MUCH different than ours. As for experimental systems, I'm referring to the entirety of how things run. From the plugins, to the staff, to the forums, to the network host, etc. It may be a strange anology, but if you look at how a country is set up. In America, we have democracy. Countries are known to use socialism, facism, dictatorships, etc.

 

[Jusser]

I'm not saying that we don't need to change. The idea proposed here, however, is not what is best for the network. As Beardy stated, a change in Ownership would not change much other than cause unnecessary drama. And as TotalDramaTony said, the Admins and Sr. Mods could mostly handle the issues where Chad brings us the Big Picture things. I also agree with what Tony said about needing a new local Admin. Col. Star's job was to be a direct link from Chad to the community. I think I can speak for everyone mostly when I say that Col did his job amazingly well and it was great for this community.

This is exactly what I'm saying, Chad's 'big picture' vision of the server isn't good anymore, and I feel that a new owner with fresh vision and 'big picture' is exactly what MCGamer needs. The administration is more than willing to carry out the vision, it just needs vision in the first place.

EDIT: Flopped into bed and remembered this. AlpakaWhacker resigned 2 MONTHS ago and he still has his rank on the forums (from what I hear he's still in slack too). Still nobody to replace him either. Go figure. Giggums

There is much more to a network's structure than how it runs it's staff team. Even then, not all networks use that system. If you mean a hiearchy in general, yes. Take Mineplex for instnace, though. Their staff set up is MUCH different than ours. As for experimental systems, I'm referring to the entirety of how things run. From the plugins, to the staff, to the forums, to the network host, etc. It may be a strange anology, but if you look at how a country is set up. In America, we have democracy. Countries are known to use socialism, facism, dictatorships, etc.

I see why you say that, but those aren't key changes to how a server runs. If Samsung uses different graphic designers, videographers, hosts and manufacturers than LG, does that make it a 'wildly different' business structure?

 

[Vinyl]

Sometimes I like to use big words I don't understand to make me sound more photosynthesis... :^)

But are we discussing how this would improve/degrade the network or debate tactics?

...what.

 

[Nicko]

Top job!

 

[Giggums]

I see why you say that, but those aren't key changes to how a server runs. If Samsung uses different graphic designers, videographers, hosts and manufacturers than LG, does that make it a 'wildly different' business structure?

Yes, it would make it a wildly different business structure, because every part of a business is what makes it what it is. So, if they are offering different products than someone else, they are going to be set up differently. They will have different consumers. They will have different advertising. It will be wildly different.

You have to remember, though, that MCGamer is not a business. Yes, we offer things that you can purchase and few people do profit from it, but it does not exist for the purpose of making money. The vast majority of players are not donors. They come and go to this and other servers as they please. That is expected. It should not be handled like a business. We do not offer pay to play. Paying does not give you unfair benefits that help you win in any games. It may make your experience better, depending on who you are. What you have suggested would work if this were a business, but it isn't one. As I stated before, MCGamer's intent of existance is to offer a family-friendly Minecraft server for anyone that wants to be a part of it.

 

[Jusser]

Yes, it would make it a wildly different business structure, because every part of a business is what makes it what it is. So, if they are offering different products than someone else, they are going to be set up differently. They will have different consumers. They will have different advertising. It will be wildly different.

I disagree, but that's fine I don't think arguing this point any further will get either of us anywhere

You have to remember, though, that MCGamer is not a business. Yes, we offer things that you can purchase and few people do profit from it, but it does not exist for the purpose of making money. The vast majority of players are not donors. They come and go to this and other servers as they please. That is expected. It should not be handled like a business. We do not offer pay to play. Paying does not give you unfair benefits that help you win in any games. It may make your experience better, depending on who you are. What you have suggested would work if this were a business, but it isn't one. As I stated before, MCGamer's intent of existance is to offer a family-friendly Minecraft server for anyone that wants to be a part of it.

I get what you're saying in that MCG's goal isn't to profit and get rich, but the dictionary doesn't lie. Even the children that try and sell 'GFX' on MCG to their friend still have a 'business', like it or not. 'Projects' (if you even want to call it that) still require money to stay afloat, which, like it or not, makes you a business

 

[Jusser]

He's going to ban you lol

If that's the price I pay, then I will take it. I care for the future of MCGamer enough to put my well-being at risk, though I don't think this is bannable personally

 

[KR0N0SAU]

@Every Staff Member that rebutts this statement.

The community doesn't give two cents if an owner or staff members leaves.

WE CARE THAT THEY MAKE A POSITIVE CHANGE!!
We Care that our server is functioning properly.
We care the our demands our meet (or in general) on the time dates promised.
If the community hits up the staff team with, we need a new anti-cheat. We should receive it. Not in 12 months but in a few weeks.


like a teacher cares that your assignment is on time