MCSG's Darkest Hours?

[CAmadeusA]

I've already decided to stay on the side of all of this.

Im about to join you, and be off it...

 

[YoshiYamiYori]

The reason people think that they are "Punished for stating opinions" is a kind of sad process.

Player complains about MCSG, most statements are untrue and are mostly made to cause arguments ---> Thread is closed for flame/inaccurate information ---> People take it the wrong way, thinking that mods closed it due to a disagreement ---> They complain about how mods are "Censoring our opinions" ---> That thread is closed for downright lying and untruthfulness ---> This adds fuel to the flame, and makes more people believe the initial claim ---> This group of people start to tear apart any and every closed thread to find evidence of censorship ---> People continue to pour in as these instances are questioned ---> The process continues as more people begin to join in to the "Cause" and the utter hatred towards staff increases ---> The staff tries to make rebuttal to these nearly baseless claims ---> People believe the staff are just trying to 'cover their behinds' and just allow any statement made by them to be untrue.

By the end of this chain - People are conditioned to ignore mod explanations, mods are on their wits end, mods and players leave, mods because of the hate they receive, players because they think mods are corrupt.

I agree that people do need to question what mods do and why they do them, in many instances they may be on the road to discovering legitimate mod abuse, but that doesn't mean you need to look at all of us through a shifted perspective. We're given mod for a reason, you need to keep a small amount of confidence in us and our decisions. We can't actively handle situations if we're worried that our decisions will be questioned by everyone for no good reason.

All I ask of the community is to try to avoid jumping on the "All mods are bad train" if you do feel there is an issue regarding a mod or a decision made by a mod please point it out to a Sr.Mod, and if you have an issue with something done by a Sr.Mod talk to someone higher up Sr.Mod (Admin or Community Manager). Avoid these big open "I HAVE AN ISSUE" discussion, because in all honestly, they're closed because many matter like this are purely circumstantial evidence based and tend to just disrespect mods as a whole.

That's an excellent analogy....but not an entirely accurate one according to the situation at hand, the recent "Staff v. Community" situation to be specific. I'm glad you're willing to speak on behalf of the mods but once again, are you looking at this from the perspectives of the actual community or are you just assuming things? I'll say it again, look at both sides of a situation before you post something like this. I respect the amount of time and thought you put into this thread and the fact that I feel the need to reply to you means that you've done a good job of stating your thoughts on the matter. What I see here is the perspective of a staff member and what he believes the community is trying to do rather than what the community is actually doing. The real perspective of the community, once again from the situation at hand, is that they feel the Greater Staff, above all of the standard Moderators, are treating the community unfairly and doing things to further their own agenda. I'm personally not going to go into further detail to prevent flame war but my point is clear. I don't feel that all the Staff members are being put on the "Evil train", there are just some complaints that community members feel that they must go public about. No need to get worried, it's good if a staff member replies with a solution to the problem or perhaps an explanation as to why that person felt the need to make a post like that complaining about the problem and reassuring them that all measures are being taken towards community satisfaction. Don't go around putting community members on the "Evil train" because of what they say, as you feel they are doing to the staff, it's good to look at this from both sides. Thank you and have a nice day Once again I appreciate you speaking your mind as a staff member.

 

[_zeX99_]

Im about to join you, and be off it...

Good day.

 

[CAmadeusA]

Good day.

This is the perfect gif for this entire thread...

 

[Spidey3000]

Completely agree...

 

[YoshiYamiYori]

Yoshi, I respect you, your a fellow pleaser , I can agree that some (and I say some, because the amount is about 50/50 on the truth to twisting scale[if that] ) people are speaking out for a noble cause... Ive been here since the beginning of mcsg, and ive seen it change in ways I didnt expect... (not gunna go into detail on that) And I can agree that MCSG is "Different" than what it was in the beginning... Is it worse? Thats a personal opinion... I have no personal quarrel with people "Speaking their mind" As long as no rules are broken in the due process... And believe it or not 80 percent of people claiming to speak their mind are like the example... Most people just arent "popular" enough to cause drama... While a lot of the mcsg community (imho) has become a popularity contest, I still see some genuine people out there... I have neither loyalty (in my personality) torward the staff, nor the community... I see people for how they act, and I treat them as such...

Im rambling at this point...
TL; DR : Both sides do it, I have no issue with people who "Speak their mind" as long as it doesnt break rules... If someone has a complaint with the staff, take it up with either the higher ups of that person, or the community manager... Bicentennial_Man Or Col_StaR ... Yoshi, love you bro, Id like to keep this debate going, at some other time (or any chance to talk to a yoshi)...

Respect your opinions, I'd rather this whole thing be done to be honest but if I have to keep going for that to happen then I will. Like you said, as long as no rules are broken in the process of speaking one's opinions then it should be fine. I'm glad that we can come to agreements like this aren't you? This is how the whole situation should be, just a simple exchange of opinions.

 

[Edog]

"Standing up to staff" and "backtalking staff" One is a bannable offense, and the other isnt...

 

[Lululioness]

What I want to know is can we ever be correct in these matters and can staff be incorrect or will they always be correct?
Are we equal to staff in our opinions so long as we're not offending anyone?
Are staff equal to us in their opinions as long as their not offending anyone?

 

[Hawk62]

At the very least, it would be great if you guys could stop making assumptions when you have barely any information on the matter.

NOBODY is being punished for speaking their mind, and we ARE NOT trying to keep anything quiet.

This thread will not be deleted, the only thing we would do is lock it, and that is only if it turns into a flame war.

I have evidence against this.

 

[MCJackson]

I posted this on your profile post and I will say it again. You should never be afraid to voice your opinion on here. If you act in the appropriate manner and do end up getting in trouble, I will promise you I will stand with you and make sure you are able to speak freely on here. We are not censoring every single negative thread on here. When something like that happens it usually ends up being debated in the staff chat.

Members, we care about you and I will always care about you on here. I was at one time a member just like you. As I said above you should never be afraid to voice your opinion on here as long as it is in an appropriate manner. You guys make up the community! It doesn't just revolve around the staff. I enjoy talking to you guys in game and especially in teamspeak when I see you guys on there and I decide to talk to new people. If I ever feel you guys are unfairly discriminated against I promise I will stand on your side.

Mods, of course you need to act in a more professional manner you should never be afraid to post something. I will admit to you guys myself I at one time was a bit nervous to say some things as a moderator on here. But now I realize that as moderators you play another active role on the forums and are a necessity for making that bond with the staff and the community through moderating the servers and serving as good examples. As I said with members, If I ever feel you are unfairly discriminated against I swear I will make sure you are safe from any form of punishment. Just remember, you need to act in a professional manner.

All in all you guys should NEVER feel afraid to speak on here. You have my word, If I ever feel anything is wrong on here I will be sure your voice is heard and you can say what you want. As long as it is an appropriate manner and you are not raging in the chat or yelling at the staff for something.

 

[Exodus]

Not trying to flame, or bring up any flame, but everytime I see that people complain about staff and MCSG's structure, a staff member demands evidence and tells people that they don't no the matter if they don't have evidence. No offense but we don't always need evidence to assume, or use prior knowledge. Just speaking my mind, and personally I also think that some mods support and some don't support the free thinking of mcsg players about the staff and its structure. Again, just speaking my mind, not trying to offend anyone.

 

[qwErtyVAsdfghN]

On 6/8/13, at 9:53 PM, CaptainJS wrote:
> MCSG has the best moderators of any minecraft community and our staff is amazing. I am only telling a different side of things. NOT yelling at the staff