Admitting to Hacking in Chat

[I_love_desk]

im not hack im jsut gaming chair !

 

[TheOnlyChanse]

This is off topic, but I see many hackers deny that they are hacking, from what I got from this post is that most hackers don't talk in chat, I usually see hackers get really defensive and deny that they are hacking, which most likely informs me more that they are hacking, but maybe in different regions they don't bother to talk.

WTF ARE THE HACKERS R SUPPOSED TO DO? DUD IM HACKING!!!!! ??? no crap they will deny it

 

[jonnysurvives]

http://www.minecraftsurvivalgames.com/threads/admitting-to-hacks.108097/

im not hack im jsut gaming chair !

shutup ur haks

 

[1qw3er5t6y]

Huahwi plz

 

[ViolentKitten]

WTF ARE THE HACKERS R SUPPOSED TO DO? DUD IM HACKING!!!!! ??? no crap they will deny it

People admit it more than you would think.

 

[TheOnlyChanse]

People admit it more than you would think.

no

 

[Mooclan]

May I refer you to this thread, here?
http://www.minecraftsurvivalgames.com/threads/the-situation-on-admitting-to-hacks.143675/

I'd also like to point out the alternative viewpoint: what if we never punished for admitting to hacks?

Sure, the sarcastic kids are free to joke around all they'd like, but they're bound to do that regardless of what the rules say (usually these kids aren't aware of the rules to begin with). But simply by allowing it to be unpunishable, people would flood the chats with admissions to possessing hacked clients; whether they actually have legitimate hacks or not, the end message is the same: everyone has hacks, and are proudly saying so.
Now imagine how it would look to new players to hear that everyone boasting about their hacks, and nothing is being done about it. It would make us look soft on hackers, and they'd get a bad first impression of our community before realizing that most of those people are just joking around.

Personally, I feel that the punishment for admitting to hacks should be reduced to 3 days: not enough a full hacking offence, but enough to send a clear message. However, given our policy, I can see the merits of taking 0 tolerance and and classifying, "admitting to hacks" alongside, "using hacks". One states capability for illicit action, the other is the action.

Hello! Im here to talk to you about something important to me. The situation on admitting to hacks.

Lets get started by defining exactly - What is admitting to hacks?
Admitting to hacks is where one said player says something which could be perceived as admitting that you, yourself, were telling everyone in the lobby you are in, that you hack.

Eg.

Nephilim_04 has joined<- I know mods have silent join, but thats for effect.
[69]: BrendonBennet: AwesomeKid1 haaacksssss
[1,454] AwesomeKid1: Lol, better turn my hacks off then
[1,337] Nephilim_04: Baaaaaaaaan!
[1,454] AwesomeKid1: Just kidding! ;(
[1,454] AwesomeKid1 has left (Banned)

Now don't get me wrong. I have nothing against mods for doing this, they are doing their job. Infact Nephilim_04 is my bae (Even though I've never met him and only seen him post once). But doesn't it seem a little ludicrous, that you are banned for the same amount of time for admitting to hacks than if they actually were hacking? Someone once said to me that say you went up to a police man and said you committed a murder, you may not be prosecuted for committing that murder, but certainly for wasting police time. And this is true, but the sentence for wasting police time would certainly not be as harsh as if you actually committed said crime. Also, even if you did say you committed to a crime, the police would not prosecute you there and then. They'd look into the crime first, and consider you a suspect.

What I am proposing is a better way for people who joke about hacking, (Because, lets be serious, who would be stupid enough to actually say they're hacking) to be banned, and suspected. So, this is how it would work:

The moderator would follow the person who admitted to hacks. Say someone said in the lobby "I hack!", the moderator would not simply ban said person right there, they would spectate the player, to see if they really ARE hacking. If they are, give them a ban, if they're not, simply warn them that saying you hack could cause bad consequences.

If they are already in a game and they admit to hacks, the moderator should kick that person out of the game, and follow them from there.

If someone submits a report abuse of someone "admitting" to hacks, that moderator would simply "note" down that persons name, and follow them as soon as they can.


Tell me what you think of this idea!

~Slqme

Keep in mind, what I write is my opinion.

I do not think that admitting to hacks should be a 7-day ban. It's incredibly harsh for those who don't mean it, but at the same time there should be some type of punishment, as there is still a risk of the person actually being a hacker.

Here's an example of a situation in which it was unfair:
I was livestreaming yesterday, and one of my viewers walked in front of me in the Lobby and said, "Hey look Mooclan, I'm hacking!", and then he started spinning his head around (Imitating derp hacks.)
I've known him for quite a while, and he's been in numerous streams - I know that he doesn't hack.
And yet, I had to screenshot his admittance to using hacks, and he got banned for seven days after I sent it to a Moderator pal.
He tuned in to my stream today, and we spoke for a while.. He's banned for another five days from his favorite server, all because he was joking around on stream for laughs.
Cruel reality, I suppose.

However, here's an example of a situation in which it was fair:
Back in early 2013, I had a friend named LtxeXx who used Nodus, along with MasonBulldog19. At the time, I wasn't as rule-abiding as I am now, so I was hesitant to report him. However, one day he was trying to /whisper to me, and since it was a pretty large conversation he eventually missed the "/" in front of "/w (message)", so he said out loud in chat something along the lines of, "lolol these nubs cant fight me when i turn on ff." Luckily, there was a Moderator who had been fighting him for an extended time, so he got banned. c:

There have been numerous arguments already presented on this matter, so instead of restating what has been said numerous times, I'd like to offer my own preferred method of solving this.
Shorter ban times, and varying degrees.

The maximum ban length for a first-offense of admitting to hacks would be 3 days. This is if there is something that includes a specific type of hack, decent grammar, and is not openly sarcastic or joking.
Example: "I'm using fly hacks"
Example: "Yeah I have aimbot but ssh dont tell anyone"

A 1-day (24 hour) ban would be issued for admitting to hacks in a clearly joking manner.
Example: "yh m8 im totes h4x1ng"
Example: "w0w yah obvs i have ff"
This would be classified as using "Leet-Speak", purposefully poor grammar, and blatant sarcasm.

A 1-hour ban would be given as a warning to someone who replies to a hack-usation in a joking way, such as:
Example:
- Player 1: Wow [P2] hacks so bad
- Player 2: yeah.. totallllllyyyy...
This would serve as a strong warning to the player.

 

[Nick]

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2. No Hacked or Modded clients are allowed EVER: Mods that give unfair advantages are not allowed.

• Any suspicion of using a client can earn a temp ban or a permanent ban depending on the situation. Even discussing hacked clients on our servers is worthy of a tempban.
• Anything outside of a vanilla client that provides an unfair advantage (x-ray, minimap, radars, force fields, speedhacking, better sprint mod, ect.) is considered a modded or hacked client!
• A detailed list of the mods we do not allow will be provided.
• If you use mods to increase your FPS or textures like the watermod, it's OK! We just don't like the ones where you modify your character's performance.
• If you are caught or the administration has suspicion of you using hacks, your ranking and leaderboard scores are subject to be reset to the defaults.
• Admitting to using a modded/hacked client, even jokingly, will result in a ban
• If you are unsure if a certain mod is allowed or not, as a staff member before using it.

This includes modifying files in your .minecraft to give a advantage such as increasing the gamma to give effect of full bright

It's unreasonable to be banned for 7-days, for admitting to hacking in chat. It can't be compared to "Shouting fire in a crowded theater", which actually causes panic in a public setting. There are worse things to say in the chat that you can't get banned for, but in this case, "admitting to hacks in chat" or generally speaking, you're getting banned for lying in chat. It is clearly absurd. This is naturally a problem for everyone because not all users read the rules word for word. There are also unsaid rules that we publicly are not aware of. I first thought this rule was absurd when I first started playing on MCSG and a friend of mine was banned for 7-days because he typed "I hack" in the chat. This was on the second video I record on the MCSG servers. Till this day I still do not agree with it 100%. I understand why this rule is implemented to increase the safety of the users, but a 7-day ban is unreasonable. There are worse things you can do to receive a 7-day ban. Ninety percent of new users coming to play on the MCSG servers will never know of this rule. Something along the lines of 3-day ban is much more sensible.

This is my honest opinion of how I feel how this rule and what changes should be made to better the community.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

Hello there Huahwi . First and foremost, welcome back.

As you know we have a very large community. With that being said, there are always conflicting opinions. One of the biggest topics these days is Hackers or Hacking. As you may know, we have numerous programmes in order to stop hackers is the US and EU cleansweeps. We are doing our best to stop hackers in any way we can. Obviously everyone hates hackers and people complain about it all the time, and I don't blame them sometimes. It can be frustrating when people make the game unfair and to an extent unplayable sometimes. Now we want to get rid of all the hackers and that's why we have a no tolerance policy. As you see, I bolded the rule where admitting to hacks is not allowed even jokingly. We can't risk having people who have admitted that they're hacking roaming around on our network. Obviously if there are Platinums or above flying in the hub and saying 'I'm fly hacking' we realise that is not bannable as it obviously is ridiculous as they have the ability to fly.

Long story short, we cannot risk having potential hackers out there without us doing anything about it.

EDIT: If they say that they are joking right afterwards, we wouldn't ban them.

 

[DPinky]

May I refer you to this thread, here?
http://www.minecraftsurvivalgames.com/threads/the-situation-on-admitting-to-hacks.143675/








Keep in mind, what I write is my opinion.

I do not think that admitting to hacks should be a 7-day ban. It's incredibly harsh for those who don't mean it, but at the same time there should be some type of punishment, as there is still a risk of the person actually being a hacker.

Here's an example of a situation in which it was unfair:
I was livestreaming yesterday, and one of my viewers walked in front of me in the Lobby and said, "Hey look Mooclan, I'm hacking!", and then he started spinning his head around (Imitating derp hacks.)
I've known him for quite a while, and he's been in numerous streams - I know that he doesn't hack.
And yet, I had to screenshot his admittance to using hacks, and he got banned for seven days after I sent it to a Moderator pal.
He tuned in to my stream today, and we spoke for a while.. He's banned for another five days from his favorite server, all because he was joking around on stream for laughs.
Cruel reality, I suppose.

However, here's an example of a situation in which it was fair:
Back in early 2013, I had a friend named LtxeXx who used Nodus, along with MasonBulldog19. At the time, I wasn't as rule-abiding as I am now, so I was hesitant to report him. However, one day he was trying to /whisper to me, and since it was a pretty large conversation he eventually missed the "/" in front of "/w (message)", so he said out loud in chat something along the lines of, "lolol these nubs cant fight me when i turn on ff." Luckily, there was a Moderator who had been fighting him for an extended time, so he got banned. c:

There have been numerous arguments already presented on this matter, so instead of restating what has been said numerous times, I'd like to offer my own preferred method of solving this.
Shorter ban times, and varying degrees.

The maximum ban length for a first-offense of admitting to hacks would be 3 days. This is if there is something that includes a specific type of hack, decent grammar, and is not openly sarcastic or joking.
Example: "I'm using fly hacks"
Example: "Yeah I have aimbot but ssh dont tell anyone"

A 1-day (24 hour) ban would be issued for admitting to hacks in a clearly joking manner.
Example: "yh m8 im totes h4x1ng"
Example: "w0w yah obvs i have ff"
This would be classified as using "Leet-Speak", purposefully poor grammar, and blatant sarcasm.

A 1-hour ban would be given as a warning to someone who replies to a hack-usation in a joking way, such as:
Example:
- Player 1: Wow [P2] hacks so bad
- Player 2: yeah.. totallllllyyyy...
This would serve as a strong warning to the player.

This^^^

If one more person says something like/similar to"it's in the rules, for a reason so we won't remove it". I'm gonna lose it. No one is asking you guys to remove it, they would like it to be changed to the degree it's being punished at the moment. Yes admitting to hacks shouldn't be done and you should be punished, but 7 days???? You gotta be kidding me LOL. Wake up and come back to reality we're all humans we all have said stuff we truly don't really mean. I like Mooclan idea on how the repercussions for addmitting to using a hacked client should be enforced.

 

[Nick]

This^^^

If one more person says something like/similar to"it's in the rules, for a reason so we won't remove it". I'm gonna lose it. No one is asking you guys to remove it, they would like it to be changed to the degree it's being punished at the moment. Yes admitting to hacks shouldn't be done and you should be punished, but 7 days???? You gotta be kidding me LOL. Wake up and come back to reality we're all humans we all have said stuff we truly don't really mean. I like Mooclan idea on how the repercussions for addmitting to using a hacked client should be enforced.

Well if they admit to hacking, shouldn't they be punished for hacking?

 

[Edog]

Well if they admit to hacking, shouldn't they be punished for hacking?

Not if they're not hacking. You can't tell expression over the internet, and what does it hurt if they say their hacking?

 

[arsenal]

Not if they're not hacking. You can't tell expression over the internet, and what does it hurt if they say their hacking?

Yep, I think Huahwi means if they say it as a joke.