About Recent Events [A Discussion Thread]

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

So this is going to be one of those rant-ish threads, but I will try to also clear somethings up... All I want to try is to stop people from leaving for stupid reasons. And this thread will (hopefully) remain as an open discussion thread, to express and share your opinion in a friendly way.

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Now the most common thing I have heard lately (And actually all the time) is: "MCSG is getting worse." or something along the lines of "MCSG staff doesn't allow fun / MCSG staff are partypoopers." (Not my opinion)

First thing wrong with this is the generalizing of the staff, you take one mod you don't like and you act like it's the entire staff who's doing it. That is just plain wrong. There are many types of MCSG moderators and you cannot generalize the actions of one mod to the whole staff.

Second thing 'wrong' with the statement is that everyone is seeing MCSG as fun ruiners while really all they are doing is enforcing the rules and making sure everything runs smoothly.


The statement I said a few paragraphs back isn't completely wrong in my opinion. On some things staff have weird rules, one of these things is 'Alt Accounts' I'm talking about harmless, fun accounts like: Illuminati, God, Doge, Nicolas Cage, etc. These accounts never posted anything negative about the staff yet some of them get banned, others don't get banned because.. well who knows? There's no saying if or when they will get banned.

I've also seen threads getting locked because they were "spamming" or "it was going nowhere" and I do agree that spammy threads should be limited to the "Forum Games" and "Anything Else" sections. But threads in these sections should not be locked. And don't play the "post boosting" card because the "Count to 'x amount'" threads should be locked then too. I understand the staff wants to keep everything clean and organized but I see no problem in members having a fun time on a harmless, hate-less, spammy thread. Unless they are talking negatively about staff or other members of course.

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This brings me to my next point: The staff removing any form of negative feedback even if the threads are written in a completely friendly fashion.

I'd like to add that most "negative feedback" is put in a way were it's offending to certain staff members or just offensive in general.

Usually members like Mooclan are able to put their "negative feedback" in a mature way so we are not enforced to take actions and are able to use the suggestions in the future.
(MoLoToV)

I mean my first thought here is: Russia. Propaganda that's what I'm talking about, as soon as someone says something bad about staff all hell breaks loose and they lock & remove the thread. Only to be followed by a warning or (perma)ban for the OP.

I get that you guys (the staff) don't like it when people say bad things about you. But sometimes the threads point out actual flaws that really need to be worked on.
Maybe just leave threads locked but not removed? So the community can view it at least? That seems reasonable

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At this point this thread probably completely drifted off from topic as it has turned into more of a 'tip thread' but I guess I'll leave it that way.

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Another thing I want to shed some light on is the hating of new mods.

I agree some are shite, but not everyone starts off as an amazing mod. You have to get the hang of it. Cut the new mods some slack.. ffs how would you like it if someone were to check everything about you and then talk behind your back about it? Wouldn't be too pleasant would it? Even the mods that start of bad can become good mods... I mean I started off my mod career on a lie and built forward on that but eventually I told the truth because of what I learned.

Anyway that isn't the main thing people 'blame' (Don't know a better word, soz) new mods. The main thing is how many forum posts, in-game posts or even age. And as someone else said earlier (I didn't agree with the person at the time but now I do) : "You don't have to be known on the forums to become a mod, you can easily fit in and get to know people after you get mod." (This is so incorrectly quoted but ah well)
This is very true and to everyone thinking they do need an 'x' amount of posts: The forums aren't the main deal.. less than half of the Hive players are active on the forums. The forums aren't necessary. Mods can only visit it to do reports and that would be fine. So stop acting like the forums are such big deal.

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TL;DR:

Both the MCSG Staff and the MCSG Community could and should work things out better (Maybe cut each other a bit of slack?)

MCSG Staff isn't necessarily as bad as it might be portrayed. Don't generalize the staff.

I think the Staff should be more open to negative feedback. Though I understand why they do what they do.

Necro-posting should have clearer rules.

Don't hate new mods, everyone has to start somewhere.

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And finally something I'd like to point out:
Don't start a flamewar on this thread, for the love of god this thread is only supposed to give an objective opinion about recent events.

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I'm out.
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COMMENTS REALLY MUCH APPRICIATED

 

[MoLoToV]

I'd like to add that most "negative feedback" is put in a way were it's offending to certain staff members or just offensive in general.

Usually members like Mooclan are able to put their "negative feedback" in a mature way so we are not enforced to take actions and are able to use the suggestions in the future.

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

I'd like to add that most "negative feedback" is put in a way were it's offending to certain staff members or just offensive in general.

Usually members like Mooclan are able to put their "negative feedback" in a mature way so we are not enforced to take actions and are able to use the suggestions in the future.

Will add that now

 

[JamJoenut]

I'm friends with a great number of moderators and some of the Sr. Moderators. I applied for moderator and I met many people who are currently mods. The burden they have to carry is absolutely ridiculous, and what annoys me the most is that there is a lot of people who don't look into the situation enough. There is a lot of bitching unfortunately, this makes me very angry. However I would have to agree that there has been instances before where the moderators have been in the wrong and have made crucial mistakes when dealing with situations or not addressing issues clearly from previous experience.

Overall, the moderators and the staff team have enough on their hands as it is, and an overwhelming majority do a superb job. People need to stop being so ignorant as they are trying the best they can, as it is entirely voluntary work. MCSG does not suck, it's the community if this continues to happen. However I can agree that mistakes my lead to frustration, but it is completely blown out of proportion.

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

I'm friends with a great number of moderators and some of the Sr. Moderators. I applied for moderator and I met many people who are currently mods. The burden they have to carry is absolutely ridiculous, and what annoys me the most is that there is a lot of people who don't look into the situation enough. There is a lot of bitching unfortunately, this makes me very angry. However I would have to agree that there has been instances before where the moderators have been in the wrong and have made crucial mistakes when dealing with situations or not addressing issues clearly from previous experience.

Overall, the moderators and the staff team have enough on their hands as it is, and an overwhelming majority do a superb job. People need to stop being so ignorant as they are trying the best they can, as it is entirely voluntary work. MCSG does not suck, it's the community if this continues to happen. However I can agree that mistakes my lead to frustration, but it is completely blown out of proportion.

I get the direction you're coming from. It can be a little mistake made by a Moderator/Staff and the whole community goes berzerk.It is 100% Voluntary, if it weren't for the mods/Staff we wouldn't be this free and be able to enjoy the game much.

 

[AlgerWaterlow]

The problem, in my humble opinion, arises when people do socialize with the staff. No matter how careful you are, relationships develop and more than likely, favoritism results. This being much to the dismay of the lone wolves at the edge of the crowd whenever they make one mistake against a particular "clique".

A suggestion to combat the confusion regarding complaints about MCSG is to have a full-on Complaints board. Yes, this would still be moderated by staff and any sort of posts that might be deemed....unsavory might be removed. However, I would like to see the staff add polls to such threads before locking/deleting entirely to let the community vote on whether or not they find this thread offensive enough to warrant lock/deletion.

MCGamer needs to be more diplomatic. As a matter of fact, the Hive and Nexus and most any other SG server also needs to be this way. It frankly nauseates me sometimes to see the autocracy practiced by the majority of the MCG staff. If they find a thread offensive, they lock it - most not even remembering to tell the person to discuss it in PM if they really want to continue the discussion. Hiring Col_StaR was the best PR-friendly move that MCGamer has made in a long while. Don't get me wrong, this is NOT me trying to fraternize with the staff. Unlike some community members I could name who like to hide behind certain staff members - usually moderators, not senior staff - I try to keep fraternizing with staff to a minimum. It's maddening, however, when someone like me out on the fringe does something wrong for, say, a first time, and is therefore inflicted with a more severe punishment than I would be if I were, say, a VIP, a T.E. member, just a generally popular Teamspeak or forum user, etc. Ergo, my polling suggestion in order for staff to lock/delete certain threads would be helpful in making this a less autocratic mini-society.

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Moving on, where's this hate of new mods coming from? I haven't seen it and I usually make it my business to point out staff whom I think haven't done their job well on particular cases. Fresh_Aire was a mod back about in September of 2013 and you never saw anyone hating on him. I never saw anyone hating on Nellie_San or Leon|TheBluemeerkat when they were made staff.

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To your final point, however irrelevantly, though I'm probably the most inflammatory person to post in this thread thus far, don't worry. I'm usually pretty amazing at switching topics randomly to avoid a flame war. :/

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

The problem, in my humble opinion, arises when people do socialize with the staff. No matter how careful you are, relationships develop and more than likely, favoritism results. This being much to the dismay of the lone wolves at the edge of the crowd whenever they make one mistake against a particular "clique".

A suggestion to combat the confusion regarding complaints about MCSG is to have a full-on Complaints board. Yes, this would still be moderated by staff and any sort of posts that might be deemed....unsavory might be removed. However, I would like to see the staff add polls to such threads before locking/deleting entirely to let the community vote on whether or not they find this thread offensive enough to warrant lock/deletion.

MCGamer needs to be more diplomatic. As a matter of fact, the Hive and Nexus and most any other SG server also needs to be this way. It frankly nauseates me sometimes to see the autocracy practiced by the majority of the MCG staff. If they find a thread offensive, they lock it - most not even remembering to tell the person to discuss it in PM if they really want to continue the discussion. Hiring Col_StaR was the best PR-friendly move that MCGamer has made in a long while. Don't get me wrong, this is NOT me trying to fraternize with the staff. Unlike some community members I could name who like to hide behind certain staff members - usually moderators, not senior staff - I try to keep fraternizing with staff to a minimum. It's maddening, however, when someone like me out on the fringe does something wrong for, say, a first time, and is therefore inflicted with a more severe punishment than I would be if I were, say, a VIP, a T.E. member, just a generally popular Teamspeak or forum user, etc. Ergo, my polling suggestion in order for staff to lock/delete certain threads would be helpful in making this a less autocratic mini-society.

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Moving on, where's this hate of new mods coming from? I haven't seen it and I usually make it my business to point out staff whom I think haven't done their job well on particular cases. Fresh_Aire was a mod back about in September of 2013 and you never saw anyone hating on him. I never saw anyone hating on Nellie_San or Leon|TheBluemeerkat when they were made staff.

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To your final point, however irrelevantly, though I'm probably the most inflammatory person to post in this thread thus far, don't worry. I'm usually pretty amazing at switching topics randomly to avoid a flame war. :/

People don't quite show they hate certain people on written accounts but usually spread rumours or incorrect information, which is devious. They also provide information which is not true.

Becoming friends or having a certain attitude to a certain person can change the facts that people are being very judgemental.People who create a certain friend ship towards a higher rank or a certain person is mostly to be awarded just when that person is needed.It mostly happenes when you have a feud or you're falling out with a certain person, that you come to realise that "oh, boy. I have friend who's a moderator" and they mostly take advantage of the situation and condem in that certain phase or circularity.

 

[ThisJKid]

The problem, in my humble opinion, arises when people do socialize with the staff. No matter how careful you are, relationships develop and more than likely, favoritism results. This being much to the dismay of the lone wolves at the edge of the crowd whenever they make one mistake against a particular "clique".

A suggestion to combat the confusion regarding complaints about MCSG is to have a full-on Complaints board. Yes, this would still be moderated by staff and any sort of posts that might be deemed....unsavory might be removed. However, I would like to see the staff add polls to such threads before locking/deleting entirely to let the community vote on whether or not they find this thread offensive enough to warrant lock/deletion.

MCGamer needs to be more diplomatic. As a matter of fact, the Hive and Nexus and most any other SG server also needs to be this way. It frankly nauseates me sometimes to see the autocracy practiced by the majority of the MCG staff. If they find a thread offensive, they lock it - most not even remembering to tell the person to discuss it in PM if they really want to continue the discussion. Hiring Col_StaR was the best PR-friendly move that MCGamer has made in a long while. Don't get me wrong, this is NOT me trying to fraternize with the staff. Unlike some community members I could name who like to hide behind certain staff members - usually moderators, not senior staff - I try to keep fraternizing with staff to a minimum. It's maddening, however, when someone like me out on the fringe does something wrong for, say, a first time, and is therefore inflicted with a more severe punishment than I would be if I were, say, a VIP, a T.E. member, just a generally popular Teamspeak or forum user, etc. Ergo, my polling suggestion in order for staff to lock/delete certain threads would be helpful in making this a less autocratic mini-society.

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Moving on, where's this hate of new mods coming from? I haven't seen it and I usually make it my business to point out staff whom I think haven't done their job well on particular cases. Fresh_Aire was a mod back about in September of 2013 and you never saw anyone hating on him. I never saw anyone hating on Nellie_San or Leon|TheBluemeerkat when they were made staff.

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To your final point, however irrelevantly, though I'm probably the most inflammatory person to post in this thread thus far, don't worry. I'm usually pretty amazing at switching topics randomly to avoid a flame war. :/

That was a beautifully put together post. Just wow.

Anyway, it's not as common as before but last time a large wave of new mods came, they were frequently looked down upon. This is because of several reasons such as being inexperienced, a minority of them abusing their powers and trying too hard to elevate themselves from the rest of the community. People would end up getting in arguments with these new mods and sometimes players ended up knowing the rules better than these new mods did, meaning that a more experienced mod would have to clear things up.

This resulted in both experienced players and experienced mods being slightly irritated at these new mods. I do believe it's illogical though, after all, everybody has to start somewhere.

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

That was a beautifully put together post. Just wow.

Anyway, it's not as common as before but last time a large wave of new mods came, they were frequently looked down upon. This is because for several reasons such as being inexperienced, a minority of them abusing their powers and trying too hard to elevate themselves from the rest of the community. People would end up getting in arguments with these new mods and sometimes players ended up knowing the rules better than these new mods did, meaning that a more experienced mod would have to clear things up.

This resulted in both experienced players and experienced mods being slightly irritated at these new mods. I do believe it's illogical though, after all, everybody has to start somewhere.

This.

 

[AlgerWaterlow]

Correction: I just got wind that some new mods do indeed get hate when they're hired. They just delete the overt Wall posts about it. Therefore, I guess simply looking at their forum profile wasn't the best judge of that. Whoopsies, my bad. Continue!

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

Correction: I just got wind that some new mods do indeed get hate when they're hired. They just delete the overt Wall posts about it. Therefore, I guess simply looking at their forum profile wasn't the best judge of that. Whoopsies, my bad. Continue!

Hehe It happenes.

 

[Mooclan]

I'd like to add that most "negative feedback" is put in a way were it's offending to certain staff members or just offensive in general.

Usually members like Mooclan are able to put their "negative feedback" in a mature way so we are not enforced to take actions and are able to use the suggestions in the future.

I really can't tell whether that's a compliment or not, but thanks...? xD

Okay, well, I had several ideas of what to write while reading the thread, but by the time I actually got to the bottom of the page I think I forgot most of them, so I'll write whatever I can remember.

- I've been present when some new staff members were hated on. Either recent promotions to Sr. Mod, or maybe new Moderators. I can remember it happening months ago, but it always seems to fade after a week or three. Certain promotions such as Lively's were so-called "community-approved", which I guess means that the forumers and rumor-spreaders approved, and I for one have been expecting it for quite some time. Others, however, (no names), have tons of rumors afoot. There's the traditional "Oh, this person sucked up to these people to get this rank!" and then there's also "WTF? So and so definitely doesn't deserve Mod!" blah blah blah. It happens all the time, I hope that eventually the community will learn to promotions that they don't like, or that MCGamer will start picking promotions that the community likes. 2MuchDrama IMO.

- Sometimes, people are promoted for specific reasons. (This is from my point of view, feel free to add on to or correct me if you see something incorrect. This paragraph thingy will be mainly focusing on Sr. Mods.) I know of a few Sr. Mods who excel at tasks such as answering forum threads, general questions, quelling rumors, or general community management - These are the Senior Mods that I generally see around the forums, and I recognize them. While other Sr. Mods specialize in handling ban disputes, helping new Moderators, and doing behind-the-scenes work like subtly managing Mod meetings, and other work that the average player of forumer is not generally privy to - basically, they aren't really aware of how much those Sr. Mods do, and these are usually the Sr. Mods that I see rumors about.

Next topic thingy! (ffs, google chrome keeps lagging when I try to type :c It's so tough.)
- Staff should be more open to criticism topic
I'm going to say that I personally agree with this statement.
Don't get me wrong - I understand that taking criticism is never easy to take, but the staff members should be responsible, capable people who are capable of taking criticism, both good and bad.
However, the criticism should be constructive and helpful. Something that a lot of people don't do, when they should, is ask themselves this: Is it helpful?

I have to go walk a dog so I can't finish this post :c