Gaming PC Help Needed

[Erisyuka]

Um, no. Way too expensive... :/ Plus I want to build my own.

Thanks for the great advice! You lowered the cost by about $300 and it's affordable for me now. <3
Please don't lock this though, as I might have more questions. Again, thanks for the help!

Alright, glad I could help.

 

[Ennobay]

That graphics card is really bad for an $850 computer. Motherboard and power supply are really overkill. I recommend this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2r0Xb
It should give you at least 50+ FPS on max settings.

Have to agree, don't get such an expensive CPU, instead, spend the money on a GPU. I have a 3570k (Previous Gen) and never push it to it's max

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

Have to agree, don't get such an expensive CPU, instead, spend the money on a GPU. I have a 3570k (Previous Gen) and never push it to it's max

Do you have an Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge?

Erisyuka is this substitutable for the AMD APU you told me about, and would I still be able to pass on a graphics card?

 

[Ennobay]

Do you have an Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge?

Erisyuka is this substitutable for the AMD APU you told me about, and would I still be able to pass on a graphics card?

Yes, wouldn't recommend it thought unless you need a good CPU, get a cheaper AMD CPU (Vishera) and spend the saved $ on something else (GPU)?

 

[TheManeEvent]

Yes, wouldn't recommend it thought unless you need a good CPU, get a cheaper AMD CPU (Vishera) and spend the saved $ on something else (GPU)?

He's getting that processor because it has a built in graphics card and he wants to save money by not having to get a separate graphics card.

 

[Ennobay]

He's getting that processor because it has a built in graphics card and he wants to save money by not having to get a separate graphics card.

Meh, I did that with my 3570k and wish I hadn't, in my opinion it's better to get a cheaper CPU (AMD) and get like a 650ti Boost or above

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

After talking to my dad for a while and checking reviews via hardocp.com, I came to the conclusion that even the i5 Quad-core would be faster and better than the AMD 8-core processor. I substituted the motherboard likewise in order to match the processor. Here's what I came up with (I also changed the memory a little bit - $5 more for better):

CPU: Intel Core i5-3750K Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan ($32.30 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 SATA 6Gb/s ATX ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB DDR3 2133 ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Windows 8.1 64-Bit OEM ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Start8: $5

Total: $755.21

With these prices, I also include rebates.

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I have three questions.

1) My dad seemed to think that I would need 16GB memory. Is this true?

2) Also, he wanted me to get a Corsair TX750 power supply instead of the one you listed because it would be better in the long run. Should I take his advice, or is what you told me sufficient?

3) You said with the AMD processor I wouldn't need a graphics card right away. Is the same thing true with the Intel processor I picked out?

 

[Erisyuka]

As of right now, AMD integrated graphics are better than Intels, so if you went with an Intel CPU, you would want a GPU to go with it. I've heard Intels Iris graphics is pretty good, but I'm not sure which processors have it and how it compares to AMD.
So long story short, if you're planning to run off of Integrated graphics for a while, it's best to go with AMD.

The one your dad picked is better, I just picked the other one because it's cheaper, just as high quality, and will cover you if you add a dedicated GPU later.
I run a 3770k, GTX670, and 5 Hard drives off of a 500w PSU and it's fine.

When it comes to ram there are a few things you need to consider.
If you're going for a Dedicated graphics card, regular ram doesn't matter too much, because Dedicated GPUs have there own ram built in,
so 4-8GB @1600MHz would be good enough.
If you're planning to go with integrated Graphics, ram is really important, because the Integrated GPU and the CPU share the same ram, so you want a decent amount of really fast ram.
So at least 8GB at a minimum of 1800MHz

Now, yes the CPU your dad picked is better, but that's only if you're doing things that utilize the CPU a lot, most games it's more important that the GPU is really good. Though some higher end games would kick murder your computer if the CPU isn't the best of the best, I believe Battlefield 4 is one of them.

Now, with all of this in mind, if you're not going to do any heavy lifting in terms of profuctivity, such as 3D rendering or video work, then you should be fine on integrated GPU AMD.
Otherwise, it would be better to have intel with a graphics card.

I'm a bit busy so I might have missed some things, if have any other questions just ask.

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

As of right now, AMD integrated graphics are better than Intels, so if you went with an Intel CPU, you would want a GPU to go with it. I've heard Intels Iris graphics is pretty good, but I'm not sure which processors have it and how it compares to AMD.
So long story short, if you're planning to run off of Integrated graphics for a while, it's best to go with AMD.

The one your dad picked is better, I just picked the other one because it's cheaper, just as high quality, and will cover you if you add a dedicated GPU later.
I run a 3770k, GTX670, and 5 Hard drives off of a 500w PSU and it's fine.

When it comes to ram there are a few things you need to consider.
If you're going for a Dedicated graphics card, regular ram doesn't matter too much, because Dedicated GPUs have there own ram built in,
so 4-8GB @1600MHz would be good enough.
If you're planning to go with integrated Graphics, ram is really important, because the Integrated GPU and the CPU share the same ram, so you want a decent amount of really fast ram.
So at least 8GB at a minimum of 1800MHz

Now, yes the CPU your dad picked is better, but that's only if you're doing things that utilize the CPU a lot, most games it's more important that the GPU is really good. Though some higher end games would kick murder your computer if the CPU isn't the best of the best, I believe Battlefield 4 is one of them.

Now, with all of this in mind, if you're not going to do any heavy lifting in terms of profuctivity, such as 3D rendering or video work, then you should be fine on integrated GPU AMD.
Otherwise, it would be better to have intel with a graphics card.

I'm a bit busy so I might have missed some things, if have any other questions just ask.

Ok, thanks! With the setup I listed recently with no graphics card and the intel stuff, will that work fine for me? My dad said that the integrated intel graphics were almost just as good as the AMD and plus it's more powerful. Would you agree?

 

[Erisyuka]

This is kinda where my knowledge gets fuzzy.
To my knowledge AMD integrated graphics as always been better, though if the processor you picked has intel Iris graphics than that might not be the case.
I hear about peoples gaming rigs all the time and from what I've heard, if your planning on going without a dedicated GPU for a long period of time, then AMD is better, but Intel is the company that everyone prefers, and to be honest, in most cases it's better to go with Intel.

So I'd say this, I don't really disagree with your dad, intel is the brand of choice and for gaming use, if you can get a graphics card, it is better.
So see if your dad is willing to buy you a GPU, even if it's just 640 or someone. If he does, go with Intel.
Otherwise, Go with AMD.
But if you can deal with Intel with no GPU, then I guess you could do what your dad suggested and just save for a GPU.

My opinion of Intel graphics is pretty bias since every experience I had with it was when it was still considered bad. But AMD is genuinely good.

EDIT: Tell your dad, the parts you pick for a gaming computer and for a productivity computer are different, and at the price range you're looking at, it's not going to hurt in any way to go with AMD, especially if your just planning on gaming.

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

This is kinda where my knowledge gets fuzzy.
To my knowledge AMD integrated graphics as always been better, though if the processor you picked has intel Iris graphics than that might not be the case.
I hear about peoples gaming rigs all the time and from what I've heard, if your planning on going without a dedicated GPU for a long period of time, then AMD is better, but Intel is the company that everyone prefers, and to be honest, in most cases it's better to go with Intel.

So I'd say this, I don't really disagree with your dad, intel is the brand of choice and for gaming use, if you can get a graphics card, it is better.
So see if your dad is willing to buy you a GPU, even if it's just 640 or someone. If he does, go with Intel.
Otherwise, Go with AMD.
But if you can deal with Intel with no GPU, then I guess you could do what your dad suggested and just save for a GPU.

My opinion of Intel graphics is pretty bias since every experience I had with it was when it was still considered bad. But AMD is genuinely good.

EDIT: Tell your dad, the parts you pick for a gaming computer and for a productivity computer are different, and at the price range you're looking at, it's not going to hurt in any way to go with AMD, especially if your just planning on gaming.

My dad keeps saying that Intel completely destroys AMD in all categories for processors. He also said that I'd be better off getting a separate graphics card rather than using just the integrated one.

In your honest opinion, would I be missing out on ANYTHING by going with the AMD? I plan to do video encoding and editing as well.

 

[Erisyuka]

Ya Intel Does domin
ate pretty much everything.
But I'm addressing your price range though, If you have the money, I suggest going with what your dad says.

But keep in mind that you're going to either have to stick with Intel integrated graphics for a while, or spend more from the beginning and get a graphics card immediately.

When it comes to price/performance, AMD dominates market for less expensive parts.

So my final recommendation would be, if you can wait for a graphics card, go with intel, otherwise, you won't miss anything when it comes to gaming.

since even if Intel is better in many things, When it comes to just gaming, it's not a bad option by any means to go with AMD. Especially if it's just things like minecraft.

I will let you know though, I bought my parts only intending to play minecraft, now I'm running servers on it.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Seireiju/saved/20TU
So when you buy parts future proof yourself, think about what you might do later on, because you might be doing more than just video games, and that is where having intel will come in handy.

Watch these videos to get a good idea of parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srmmt0-vrD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EnOMhXkKqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki8JAhdfcb8

then watch this to prep yourself for the actual build.