Official US Clan Battle Maps

[Alpha]

Who's to say that clans in other regions don't play a different selection of maps?

They could be the different, but it wouldn't differ enough for a completely different thread to be necessary.

 

[BomBashious]

Well since we're on the topic of "What maps do other regions play" they actually don't seem to play all the same maps.
Back when EU Forgotten was a thing, I used to spectate and record a lot of their clan battles, and I noticed that they do play some different maps. But, this was possible because EU Clan battles were almost always with 4 - 6 people, unlike US where it's almost always 8 people for a clan battle.
If you're wondering why having less people makes a difference, picture it this way.
If you read Zoeticly post, you'd notice she said maps like Icarus and Solar Frost would be bad maps for having US Clan Battles on because they would be 8v8s and there wouldn't be enough routes for everyone, and everyone would be bunched up.
Now with EU, there would be alot less people meaning things wouldnt be to cramped with people.
Anyways, when I spectated EU Clan Battles, they played some maps such as
Wyvern's Wake
Icarus
Solar Frost
Chernoble 2015
Demon's Breeze
And some other's that I might not remember.
But it seemed as if alot of EU Players enjoyed these maps.
Although EU did play still play all of the "Always Played" maps.
So having a different thread for "Official EU Clan Battle Maps" would be somewhat necessary

 

[Alpha]

Well since we're on the topic of "What maps do other regions play" they actually don't seem to play all the same maps.
Back when EU Forgotten was a thing, I used to spectate and record a lot of their clan battles, and I noticed that they do play some different maps. But, this was possible because EU Clan battles were almost always with 4 - 6 people, unlike US where it's almost always 8 people for a clan battle.
If you're wondering why having less people makes a difference, picture it this way.
If you read Zoeticly post, you'd notice she said maps like Icarus and Solar Frost would be bad maps for having US Clan Battles on because they would be 8v8s and there wouldn't be enough routes for everyone, and everyone would be bunched up.
Now with EU, there would be alot less people meaning things wouldnt be to cramped with people.
Anyways, when I spectated EU Clan Battles, they played some maps such as
Wyvern's Wake
Icarus
Solar Frost
Chernoble 2015
Demon's Breeze
And some other's that I might not remember.
But it seemed as if alot of EU Players enjoyed these maps.
Although EU did play still play all of the "Always Played" maps.
So having a different thread for "Official EU Clan Battle Maps" would be somewhat necessary

That's interesting, I always suspected that EU would play smaller, more "cramped" maps due to the smaller sizes of their clan battles, but I didn't know that it was common enough to be noted.
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Although, you could always just combine the two thread, (Official US/EU Clan Battle Maps) with two lists (or a list with tags), so people wouldn't have to search as much on the forums.

 

[endthebean]

*Sigh* As a leader of Forgotten, I have to do this.
I am sorry to those that seem like I have been approaching them aggressively or not willingly. I have taken EVERYONE's opinion into consideration as I would do for any situation, but constant talk about change was tiresome so I sorta cracked a little.

People that I personally want to say sorry to:
endthebean
darkai202
EvermoreHD

On another note* I still don't agree with the change.

Soul, I accept your apologize. I was merely suggesting an option. Everyone has different options and I do not hate yours. I like all the maps that were suggested and they all have great gameplay. I just wanted to speak the argument that someone would have never said. It's important to take all matters in consideration and I just wanted the community to hear my suggestion. But like I said, everyone has their options, so forgive me if I offended you or any clan. You don't have to follow my idea, I don't control you or the other clans just consider everything carefully and make decisions wisely.

 

[darkai202]

Who's to say that clans in other regions don't play a different selection of maps?

I told Soul I'd shut up.. Sorry Soul, I'm a very compulsive liar.

As far as AU goes, clan battles generally range in 3v3's to 6v6's and due to that we generally play a wide range of maps. For the upcoming "Phoenix v Apex" battle (Which everyone seems to care about...) we're apparently going to have to /random every single map.. I can't really say I agree and that's why I agree and disagree with points on this thread.

Also, as far as making a guide for AU clans to follow there really is no point as every battle in AU has a "referee / mod" to watch it (Because like, staff control us now)

I'd appreciate it if no more questions were given to me so I can shut up and leave like I said I would.. xD

 

[BomBashious]

That's interesting, I always suspected that EU would play smaller, more "cramped" maps due to the smaller sizes of their clan battles, but I didn't know that it was common enough to be noted.
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Although, you could always just combine the two thread, (Official US/EU Clan Battle Maps) with two lists (or a list with tags), so people wouldn't have to search as much on the forums.

Yeah that could be done aswell. Although keep in mind this was back when EU Forgotten was still around. For all I know thing's could have changed with the maps they play now.

 

[Alpha]

Yeah that could be done aswell. Although keep in mind this was back when EU Forgotten was still around. For all I know thing's could have changed with the maps they play now.

It could of, it couldn't of.

It might of, it mightn't of.

Could an EU player enlighten me, as to if EU Clans play smaller maps more often (e.g. Solar Frost)?

 

[Omastar]

I told Soul I'd shut up.. Sorry Soul, I'm a very compulsive liar.
Also, as far as making a guide for AU clans to follow there really is no point as every battle in AU has a "referee / mod" to watch it (Because like, staff control us now)

Having a referee in the battle isn't necessary but can be helpful if something goes wrong. The battle between Apex and Phoenix needs referees because it's part of that tournament and we agreed to those rules

 

[DoUEvenShift]

Why would clans take time to learn all maps MCSG maps?

It's important to know the layout of all the maps because in order to be the best you must be able to win in any situation. You can't be called the best if you only win on Sg4 (or any other map that is overly played). The best clan is the one that can adapt to any situation and if clans constantly play the same maps over and over then how are they getting better as a team if they play like this? Repetition does lead to perfection but perfection is predictable. (That's why computers can not beat humans in chess).

I agree with this 100%. To me it seems like Soul and the other "top clans" only want to play the same few maps because they have perfected their strategy/routes on those maps, and feel like they would not do as well on other less played maps. Obviously, they are just looking out for their own interests, which is understandable, however what about the input from every single other clan? I don't agree with the fact that only 3 or 4 clans are making decisions for the entire community and posting them as "official rules". I mean no disrespect to Soul or anyone else, I know Soul has been doing the whole clan thing for quite some time, and I value his opinion.

 

[Soul]

I do these things to put set stones into place. I was afraid things like what occurred to happen.
I might get psychological, so hold on to your seat.

The world has balance. The same goes for Clans. It has maintained this sort of balance for quite a long time (about 7-8 months?). Basically, I'm trying to keep it this way. New clans threaten this kind of way on a daily basis, so I make it my duty to ensure the other clans follow how the way has been for months. Change is great from time to time, yea, but allowing all maps from just 5-6 selected maps is too drastic. This change can occur over time, but to throw something huge in everyone's face (especially clans like Forgotten) would destroy the hard work we have been forging for months to seem somewhat useless to the bigger cause. It would bring the long-lasting/experienced clans back to step one with the newer teams (with somewhat of an edge), thus creating a sort of "new age." Not only that, but it would take an even longer time (estimated a month of TOTAL playing time?) in order to create new strategies for every map. I can't speak for other teams, but there seems little point in doing so.

In addition, Clan Battles have been something more of PvP and wits with a few more variables in place other than the whole "Survival Games" concept. I can understand the fact that this is "Minecraft Survival Games," but the main concept is long gone. It took months for the concept to disappear, so if one wanted to bring it back, they would need the support of major/many teams and it would have to be over-time. Unless, almost 80-90% of the clans agree with this, there shouldn't be any action taken.

Lastly, it is obvious that this will degrade my team as many of the current big ones, but as a leader of Forgotten, I must say this. You can throw these obstacles in my way and my team's, but we will adapt. I take full consideration on the fact that we got here for a reason and we will stay in our position for as long as I remain in MCSG. We have experienced all the hardship every clan has faced. Members leaving, making rough decisions that lead to even more problems, stress, the duty to always be happy and there for every single member on my team; I've done all that in the year+ I have been in Clans. So hear me out when I say this; I may lose members along the way, trust, and maybe close friends/allies, but I will not let my team fall. Not to anything or anyone.

 

[JustlThelWorst]

I agree with this 100%. To me it seems like Soul and the other "top clans" only want to play the same few maps because they have perfected their strategy/routes on those maps, and feel like they would not do as well on other less played maps. Obviously, they are just looking out for their own interests, which is understandable, however what about the input from every single other clan? I don't agree with the fact that only 3 or 4 clans are making decisions for the entire community and posting them as "official rules". I mean no disrespect to Soul or anyone else, I know Soul has been doing the whole clan thing forn quite some time, and I value his opinion.

I still don't see the idea of this. It is simple, some maps are a lot better then other maps for clan battles and scrimmages. This thread says what the "top clans" do, no clans starts at the top, the top clans earned have earned their spot. What does a lesser clan do, they should model themselves off a more top clan, see what they do. Why would you base the maps of /random? As I said earlier some maps are betters than others for multiple reasons. No clan has time to learn routes for all maps on MCSG, or time show it to all their members. In my opinion and many other people feel the same way, some maps are just not meant for clan battles or scrimmages, if /random was used it would bring a lot of luck into the match, it wouldn't prove the better clan. Doing random maps for battles and scrimmages IMO should not even be considered.