The most important question I'm ever going to ask on this site.

[G33ke]

1: G33ke doesnt get likes on posts just for being himself, its because his posts are quality, and worth reading...

Actually...it's true, I do get likes just because I'm G33ke. I've posted on threads before with perfectly normal posts, just like everyone else, and it always gets more likes than it deserves.

However, it isn't true that I got likes on the particular post he pointed out just because I'm G33ke. In fact, digging deeper into the thread, my posts were disagreed with on many occasions, even by people who would normally just like my posts and leave it. I have many posts in this thread that haven't received the average amount of likes, because people disagreed with them. It just so happens that that first one was not quite disagreed with as often, if you know what I mean.

I hate how G33k gets likes on posts just because he is G33k. It is the community's job to get involved in this. If no one in the community ever said anything to oppose the Moderator's decisions, MCSG would be horrible. They are supposed to take the criticism and try to improve. As long as no one is constantly flaming saying the staff is complete crap, it is spreading awareness of what is/has happened to the staff, whether you want to admit it or not. Everyone has to understand that the staff is biased, you cannot disagree. The biased is not always a bad thing, but the people without connections will always complain. It is much like the state of the USA government right now. I don't want to go into politics here, but there is no such thing as a "perfect" government or staff, but as long as people feel like they have some input, and the leaders make it seem like their opinions change something, we will be satisfied. (Sorry if Its sloppy typing, I had to go so I rushed most of it)

It's great to get community feedback and all, but this isn't the way. The thing is, what he posted is not something the community can help with. What he's asking is just whether or not the community thinks the staff is corrupt, and asking people to reevaluate themselves. (like the staff.) The community saying and arguing whether or not the staff is corrupt in their opinion is not constructive criticism, nor is him asking the staff such a task in public necessary. The awareness that the "staff is corrupt" is only going to cause problems, not fix them. It would maybe help a bit if the thread was created with the intention of recommendations for how the staff could improve, but all he's asking in terms of opinions is a simple question that gives the staff no help and increases the divide that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Also, much the same way that the staff is biased, you're biased, I'm biased, we're all biased...it's human nature. I'm biased towards defending the staff, since I feel the staff don't deserve the nonconstructive criticism, I've been there, and much the same, I'm sure you have some sort of bias behind why you feel pixel made the right decision to have made the thread. The word bias doesn't have to be used in a negative way, you know, it's just something humans do - without any bias, it would be much more difficult for us to make decisions. Sometimes, you just don't know how much bias actually effects many of your decisions, even if you hate to admit it. The staff has made just as many biased decisions to defend themselves as much of the community has to argue back that their "corrupt" or anything of the sort. Yes, a staff is supposed to be as unbiased as possible...but honestly, it's too much to ask that a group of hundreds of people - especially teenagers - be completely 100% unbiased. There will be a few decisions driven on bias.

 

[Math_Magician]

Actually...it's true, I do get likes just because I'm G33ke. I've posted on threads before with perfectly normal posts, just like everyone else, and it always gets more likes than it deserves.

However, it isn't true that I got likes on the particular post he pointed out just because I'm G33ke. In fact, digging deeper into the thread, my posts were disagreed with on many occasions, even by people who would normally just like my posts and leave it. I have many posts in this thread that haven't received the average amount of likes, because people disagreed with them. It just so happens that that first one was not quite disagreed with as often, if you know what I mean.




It's great to get community feedback and all, but this isn't the way. The thing is, what he posted is not something the community can help with. What he's asking is just whether or not the community thinks the staff is corrupt, and asking people to reevaluate themselves. (like the staff.) The community saying and arguing whether or not the staff is corrupt in their opinion is not constructive criticism, nor is him asking the staff such a task in public necessary. The awareness that the "staff is corrupt" is only going to cause problems, not fix them. It would maybe help a bit if the thread was created with the intention of recommendations for how the staff could improve, but all he's asking in terms of opinions is a simple question that gives the staff no help and increases the divide that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Also, much the same way that the staff is biased, you're biased, I'm biased, we're all biased...it's human nature. I'm biased towards defending the staff, since I feel the staff don't deserve the nonconstructive criticism, I've been there, and much the same, I'm sure you have some sort of bias behind why you feel pixel made the right decision to have made the thread. The word bias doesn't have to be used in a negative way, you know, it's just something humans do - without any bias, it would be much more difficult for us to make decisions. Sometimes, you just don't know how much bias actually effects many of your decisions, even if you hate to admit it. The staff has made just as many biased decisions to defend themselves as much of the community has to argue back that their "corrupt" or anything of the sort. Yes, a staff is supposed to be as unbiased as possible...but honestly, it's too much to ask that a group of hundreds of people - especially teenagers - be completely 100% unbiased. There will be a few decisions driven on bias.

Something I agree with. Finally.

 

[pixel]

Actually...it's true, I do get likes just because I'm G33ke. I've posted on threads before with perfectly normal posts, just like everyone else, and it always gets more likes than it deserves.

However, it isn't true that I got likes on the particular post he pointed out just because I'm G33ke. In fact, digging deeper into the thread, my posts were disagreed with on many occasions, even by people who would normally just like my posts and leave it. I have many posts in this thread that haven't received the average amount of likes, because people disagreed with them. It just so happens that that first one was not quite disagreed with as often, if you know what I mean.




It's great to get community feedback and all, but this isn't the way. The thing is, what he posted is not something the community can help with. What he's asking is just whether or not the community thinks the staff is corrupt, and asking people to reevaluate themselves. (like the staff.) The community saying and arguing whether or not the staff is corrupt in their opinion is not constructive criticism, nor is him asking the staff such a task in public necessary. The awareness that the "staff is corrupt" is only going to cause problems, not fix them. It would maybe help a bit if the thread was created with the intention of recommendations for how the staff could improve, but all he's asking in terms of opinions is a simple question that gives the staff no help and increases the divide that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Also, much the same way that the staff is biased, you're biased, I'm biased, we're all biased...it's human nature. I'm biased towards defending the staff, since I feel the staff don't deserve the nonconstructive criticism, I've been there, and much the same, I'm sure you have some sort of bias behind why you feel pixel made the right decision to have made the thread. The word bias doesn't have to be used in a negative way, you know, it's just something humans do - without any bias, it would be much more difficult for us to make decisions. Sometimes, you just don't know how much bias actually effects many of your decisions, even if you hate to admit it. The staff has made just as many biased decisions to defend themselves as much of the community has to argue back that their "corrupt" or anything of the sort. Yes, a staff is supposed to be as unbiased as possible...but honestly, it's too much to ask that a group of hundreds of people - especially teenagers - be completely 100% unbiased. There will be a few decisions driven on bias.

I can respect this.

 

[G33ke]

The reason we rely on people having to ask question instead of telling them everything is because we don't know what they want to know.

A bit distracted at the moment, so I'll keep this short for now.

I think we both misunderstood each other there for a bit.

I'm talking more about instances where you didn't quite tell someone everything they might have wanted to know. As an example, (really, an example, this isn't realistically much help.) when responding to someones moderator application with why they were denied, it might be dumbed down quite a bit, you don't give specific details, just enough for them to know they were demoted for being too young or whatever. (I'm not entirely sure how they are dealt with - again, examples.) What they really want to know is every other thought going through your mind. Threads are made asking why they were denied, because...they didn't get the answer they were happy with.

By all of this, I mean when someone wants to know something, you have been telling them exactly what their asking for and not anything more, which is the problem. When someone asks how to get mod, you don't just tell them "you apply", you give them detailed instructions on exactly how to apply, since that's going to be an obvious follow up question. Sometimes, you just have to assume they still have questions, even if they don't ask them, because for many new members, talking to a staff member for an extended period of time can be quite intimidating.

Don't take all that too far, though, rambling on about something for too long and giving too much information at once can overwhelm them, just tell them exactly what they need to know for both their question and anything more that relates to it, but skip over the details they can figure out for themselves. (In applying for a mod, the location to post the application, how to title it, etc., should all be on one page that you direct them to.)

In short, when someone asks a question, answer their follow up question before they even ask it. It is very, very often that you can make an educated guess of follow up questions or concerns they may have, as these misconceptions or questions are frequent after the initial response. Eventually you'll learn exactly what's going on in their mind as you respond to them - just image you are them, new to the servers, and read what you say as if you knew nothing. Something sounds confusing? Elaborate just a bit.

Edit: You're right about random unrelated questions, though. If someone wants to ask about something that you would have no idea their confused about, (such as the first question most people would ask - you wouldn't know they had it until they ask.) then yes, it should be encouraged they come to you for it, but that still doesn't mean you shouldn't do what I mentioned, because I feel what I mentioned is the stem of many problems.

Edit 2: I used the word "you" a lot in this post, understand none of it was directed at you, I was using it loosely.

 

[Col_StaR]

I, for one, love this thread. Mainly because it's kept itself civil without resorting to one-sided attacks against individuals or groups of staff justified by personal beliefs and suppositions. You have all spelled out your grievances in specific form, conducted the arguments for both sides in a polite and thoughtful manner, and considered the opposing view without degrading their character or position. Furthermore, each argument is well composed and avoids being curt for the purpose of convenience or snide. This thread differentiates itself above the others by keeping its civility and discourse without leading to the expected escalation of, "MCSG's Staff Sucks", "Mods don't care", or "#MCSGRefugees" (Which apparently is a real group on The Hive). I think I can attribute that to the great minds and voices taking part in this.

I've spent the last 1.5 hours compiling notes based on the discussion here. I'll spend the next few days seeing what I can draw up from them.

So long as this continues, I will keep this thread open (and I'll keep researching). Please do continue.

 

[pixel]

I, for one, love this thread. Mainly because it's kept itself civil without resorting to one-sided attacks against individuals or groups of staff justified by personal beliefs and suppositions. You have all spelled out your grievances in specific form, conducted the arguments for both sides in a polite and thoughtful manner, and considered the opposing view without degrading their character or position. Furthermore, each argument is well composed and avoids being curt for the purpose of convenience or snide. This thread differentiates itself above the others by keeping its civility and discourse without leading to the expected escalation of, "MCSG's Staff Sucks", "Mods don't care", or "#MCSGRefugees" (Which apparently is a real group on The Hive). I think I can attribute that to the great minds and voices taking part in this.

I've spent the last 1.5 hours compiling notes based on the discussion here. I'll spend the next few days seeing what I can draw up from them.

So long as this continues, I will keep this thread open (and I'll keep researching). Please do continue.

You know, this is exactly what I wanted the staff to take away from this thread. I love you.

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

My eyes hurt... .-.

 

[Col_StaR]

You know, this is exactly what I wanted the staff to take away from this thread. I love you.

The way you initially went about this thread actually almost got it removed altogether.
The very fact that you took the low road of, "This thread will get locked....I know this because MCSG cannot and will not take any criticism even if it was from there own PLAYERS", and then playing the martyr with, "There is absolutely no doubt about it....So technically I wont get the chance to send this out to masses," in the same four sentences. You use the phrase, "I want you think long and hard about your time at MCSG," the implication being that our community is some sort of sin or crime, but then you proclaim your innocence in the very next sentence with, "I've never EVER meant to cause drama or controversy."

You are not an evangelical preacher whose transcendental power grants you immunity from scrutiny, drama, controversy, or decent text formatting. You never brought up any grievances in a calm and rational way, but instead simply stepped onto a soapbox and told the sheeple to, "think about themselves, REEVALUATE themselves, FIND themselves" as if they were victims in some looming conspiracy. You are a person whose initial post almost made me write this thread off as this month's publication of "Staff = Satan Magazine".

The success of this thread are made by the people whose impeccable arguments have offered solutions and rationality to the grievances mentioned. People like @G33ke, @Zeno, @slasherxtreme, @Mamiamato24, @Dave, @CAmadeusA, @Math_Magician, and everyone else whose posts were insightful, well-composed, and- most of all- constructive.

For anyone else who has something to say, please follow their example.

 

[pixel]

Where to start...

Hmm, Well, I'm gunna tackle this point by point...

1: G33ke doesnt get likes on posts just for being himself, its because his posts are quality, and worth reading... Second, theres no reason to hate him for it, perhaps learn from it.

2: Its not the communitites job to get involved in matters of staff... The staff and community have a twofold relationship. The Part of the community, is being the players, and enjoying the game... This includes but is not limited to, competitions, feedback, rivalry, friendship, etc... The Staff make backend decisions, and run things, keeping things running smoothly... Ultimitly Chad owns all of MCSG and can make any decision he wants, as he's paying for things...
This hurts me to say, as much as it hurts to be read, but there is no entitlement to make the game "Just How the Players like". However, that IS what Chad likes... That is why he hires Developers and Admins to keep things running in a twofold of the communities, and the staffs best interest...

3: You say if no one opposes the mods decisions, then MCSG would suck (tl:dr) In reality, the admins write guides for us to follow, were following the rules, and enforcing them, we dont make the rules. MCSG as a staff is greatly open to Constructive criticism, but that entails providing ways to improve, instead of tearing down... Which 99% of discussion threads like this are, and even in your post, I see nothing about how we can improve (aside from you saying "try to improve")

4. In your opinion, the staff is biased, everyone is biased, your biased in thinking the staff is biased, im biased for posting this reply. However, the negative connotation of the word "bias" is usually used in a discriminatory way, which is not true of the staff. We make the best decisions for the community in the long view of things. Just because someone disagrees with a ban, or a demotion, makes no real difference...

5. I agree with your statement of there is no perfect staff/government, however, we are VERY different... To comment on your statement about people will always complain: we have a complaints section, and there is a very precise way to go about submitting a complaint... That way, is in the form of constructive criticism, and not saying "MCSG MODS SUCK, there the Spawn of SATAN." (not jokin, saw that message once) Sadly, 99% turn out to be messages of the latter, and therefor are removed, as they are not necessary, and cause flame wars...

6. The Peoples way of contributing is through the MANY various ways of submitting feedback, through: the forums, polls, q and a sessions, PMing the staff, and countless other ways.. However, we go with what the populus wants, which is often different from what the community of forum users want, and thats not something we can help...


TLDR: The community is already good where it is, they dont run the staff, things work well the way they are right now...

Wow Cam, wow. your saying that the community shouldn't have a say, that's disgusting. that's cancer.

The way you initially went about this thread actually almost got it removed altogether.
The very fact that you took the low road of, "This thread will get locked....I know this because MCSG cannot and will not take any criticism even if it was from there own PLAYERS", and then playing the martyr with, "There is absolutely no doubt about it....So technically I wont get the chance to send this out to masses," in the same four sentences. You use the phrase, "I want you think long and hard about your time at MCSG," the implication being that our community is some sort of sin or crime, but then you proclaim your innocence in the very next sentence with, "I've never EVER meant to cause drama or controversy."

You are not an evangelical preacher whose transcendental power grants you immunity from scrutiny, drama, controversy, or decent text formatting. You never brought up any grievances in a calm and rational way, but instead simply stepped onto a soapbox and told the sheeple to, "think about themselves, REEVALUATE themselves, FIND themselves" as if they were victims in some looming conspiracy. You are a person whose initial post almost made me write this thread off as this month's publication of "Staff = Satan Magazine".

The success of this thread are made by the people whose impeccable arguments have offered solutions and rationality to the grievances mentioned. People like @G33ke, @Zeno, @slasherxtreme, @Mamiamato24, @Dave, @CAmadeusA, @Math_Magician, and everyone else whose posts were insightful, well-composed, and- most of all- constructive.

For anyone else who has something to say, please follow their example.

Yes, thank you for insulting my beliefs. what a wonderful admin!

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

Yes, thank you for insulting my beliefs. what a wonderful admin!

Wow Cam, wow. your saying that the community shouldn't have a say, that's disgusting. that's cancer.

Wow, be careful. You could get banned for saying things like that!

 

[darkai202]

Wow Cam, wow. your saying that the community shouldn't have a say, that's disgusting. that's cancer.

Cancer is a disease that has killed many people, that's not something you should openly joke about..

A community not having a say in a video game is no where near the level of devestation cancer caused, it's pathetic to even think of them relating..

 

[coolguy1264]

most of the staff is great but there are a couple members of the staff that are just kids.