Final Attempt

[CAmadeusA]

So, I'm just now getting caught up on everything, ceroria seems to inb4'd most of the points I would have made. I will say though, any hate thats just hate? Will be deleted. Additionally, for the time being, I will say you guys can directly DM me with direct advice for improvement of the anticheat or anything of the like, but please give direct, citable source examples and I will take care of it personally. Otherwise, from what I can see, most points have been covered...?

 

[Swifftyy]

So, I'm just now getting caught up on everything, ceroria seems to inb4'd most of the points I would have made. I will say though, any hate thats just hate? Will be deleted. Additionally, for the time being, I will say you guys can directly DM me with direct advice for improvement of the anticheat or anything of the like, but please give direct, citable source examples and I will take care of it personally. Otherwise, from what I can see, most points have been covered...?

why isnt ceroria sr mod yet

 

[Kraken]

So the mcgamer staff is open enough to not let me show the community my opinions and views; thanks Kraken.

You're welcome.

This thread is completely constructive criticism and is not meant to be taken under offensive manner.
Third try before making a video
Okay, so I'm not one to usually be making these kinds of threads; or threads at all for that fact, but there is a very urgent matter that this community has to adress.
The amount of closet cheaters in this community and especially in the leaderboard is waaaay out of control. It's gotten to a point where a new no cheat isn't "bothering the devs with useless work" anymore. If these devs are so high and mighty coding a no cheat that could stop autoclickers and simple kill aura should be pretty simple, should it not? An interesting statistic about 2/5's of the top 200 use/have used an illegal modification to enhance gameplay.

Coding a 'simple' anti-cheat is harder than you think. It is a very new system, and is still being worked on. Consider it a beta test. Is every video game released perfect on day one? No. It has bugs and glitches that takes time to fix. I'm curious to know where you got that statistic from. Did you know 7/10 statistics are made up on the spot?

This community, in all honesty, is dying out. Mcgamer's "well seasoned" staff team is supposedly working on ways to revitalize the community; but why are they not working. I'm not one to call specific people out so I won't go there. But imo McGamer staff team need to set up some priorities, there are countless cases of moderators who have been in this community for an amount of time that can be counted on your fingers as weeks. Now that's not right, just because someone is "mature" and can write a decent application doesn't make them fit to moderate this community. These mods are usually the people that end up falsely banning people, abusing powers, etc. Even if Mcgamer is in need of staff this shouldn't be acceptable.

There is only a certain amount of screening we can do before hiring a moderator. We have strict application requirements and anybody we think might be a trouble maker, doesn't get accepted. However, this is one of the largest MC networks in the world. We have over 3 million players and so we don't have time to get to know every single applicant on a personal level before accepting them into the staff team.
If you witness a staff member abusing their powers, bring it up to a member of sr staff and if you have sufficient proof, they are removed from the staff team, and any power abuse they have done is reversed. Simple. We don't sweep anything under the rug as some people have come to accuse us of. Smaller networks have the advantage of being able to be more selective about who they accept. I can imagine if we adopted the same issue and made it so every new moderator is intensively screened before making it onto the team, we'd have a staff team half the size of what it is now, and the complaints would be "GET MORE MODERATORS, THERE'S SO MANY HACKERS DO SOMETHING OMG WHY AREN'T YOU HIRING MORE MODS". It seems like everything we do these days, no body is happy...

As well, I was looking at who got promotions and I came to a realization there are some moderators in this community that heavily deserve a promotion but are pushed aside for 13 year olds that are good at dropping bans quickly. For instance Ceroria has made many great contributions to this community and I'm sure could make many, many more. He is in any way you see much deserving of some sort of promotion; but yet he gets brushed aside.
Back to closet cheating after seeing countless numbers of these threads with the same response "The admins have a lot of things to work on right now, I'm sure they will get to it in the future"

As I've already said, there's a lot that goes on that you don't see. We DO NOT 'brush them aside'. If you have suggestions for promotions, bring them to us. If you feel so strongly about somebody deserving a promotion, why haven't I seen you suggest them before this thread? Bring suggestions for promotions to the senior staff, and it WILL be considered, I can assure you of that. Post angry threads on the forums about how 'omg why isn't this person a sr mod yet? are you guys blind?!', and we will ignore you. Simple. There's a right way to do these things, and a wrong way.

The first version of anticheat took 1 hour to code; it blocked semi advanced kill aura trigger and autoclicker. MasterGBerry and Archy are amazing devs, but if mcgamer dedicates one day to a decent no cheat the servers would become much more user friendly. Don't get me wrong though the sg plugin is amazing, the best out there. What kills the server is its third rate ncp, like an entity on a chest? Really? You realize even huzuni and flare bypass that. Not to mention half the mods do not understand the concept a ghost client; StrawberryJam(or whatever his ign is) for example was using a timer hack, blatantly in his vid. When exposed by Tene the staff said "There's no gui on his screen AND he froze in the other guy's recording". There a clients that are completely undetectable on even badlion and kohi that 90% of high elo players use; the least mcsg could do is code a no cheat that stops huzuni...
A quote from 4non "It's not the server that's the problem; the actual SG is amazing. It's the whole infrastructure; the staff, and the priorities of the dev team"
Don't give me that "They're very busy" bull crap either, if 2 devs can code a anticheat 100x better than the one we're using right now then out dev team can put aside a fancy sidebar for a day and code a decent anti cheat.

I don't think you quite understand what it takes to code an anti-cheat. It takes a lot more than a day trust me... Consider it like an anti-virus. Sure, you can block a virus. But more come up that are designed to bypass the anti-virus. You block those, and 2 more are made to replace them. Hacking will never be removed. Like i've already said, an anti-cheat is a machine, incapable of logic and reasoning. It can't look at every potential hacker with a case by case basis. However. I agree with some of what you say regarding our anti-cheat. Personally, I don't like it. But your claims that the dev team could easily whip up a perfect anti-cheat in 24 hours is an uneducated claim that is a gross misunderstanding of how development works.

There's honestly something wrong if thenexusmc can stop an autoclicker but we can't.

Hope this one lasts more than 20 seconds

For those who are wondering ~Mint
Also credit goes to Tenebrous12321 for inspiring me to write the original thread based on some things he had said.

I will keep this thread open only if flame is kept away. Staff will be watching this thread, myself included and we will not hesitate to lock it should flame ensue. If you believe a staff member to be causing the flame, bring it to me and I will deal with it accordingly.
Do not assume we don't want your opinions, because we do. However we don't appreciate being told our system is garbage and badlion does it better without any reasonable alternatives.

HOW DOES A 12 YEAR OLD PASS HIMSELF OFF AS A 16 YEAR OLD AND GET MOD BUT YOU DONT HAVE SR MOD WTFFFFF

If you have reasonable evidence to prove a staff member is lying about their age, send it to senior staff and it will be dealt with accordingly. However you'd be surprised how easy it is. A simple voice changer upon their interview can easily fool anyone. There's only so much digging we can do on someone before it becomes illegal...

 

[IceCarbonDiabloX]

You're welcome.



Coding a 'simple' anti-cheat is harder than you think. It is a very new system, and is still being worked on. Consider it a beta test. Is every video game released perfect on day one? No. It has bugs and glitches that takes time to fix. I'm curious to know where you got that statistic from. Did you know 7/10 statistics are made up on the spot?
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hey man look at some of the games that have released really buggy in the past.

https://gyazo.com/e3a52f1180e2e25286e4c62198d26fc6

https://gyazo.com/962d20f35b5fbba8e859aa0a90010fe8

 

[Divining]

Unrelated to the thread topic, however I'd like to apologize for the behavior I've produced on this thread. I've re thought my actions and saw a lot of unnecessary hostility produced by me. I apologize to anyone involved with any earlier posts I made.

 

[Brndy]

Some interesting things I thought I might add/improvements for the McGamer community

Note: I'm a bit harsh please don't take this personally.
1) Can we please have clan servers? There's been so many ideas in the clan community to create a simpler and nicer way to battle. I'm pretty tired of a random player in a battle going "OH BOY, A BATTLE, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND COMPLETELY TARGET THE MEMBERS MUAHAHAHA" and it just creates so much unnecessary flame between clans accused of using alt accounts.
2) Why are there mods doing the exact thing that I described above? I can easily name several mods who I feel literally do ./find to join the battle, disguise, and target members.
*NOTE ONLY SOME MODS IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THESE DON'T RESPOND SAYING IM WRONG I LOVE YOU*
3) Why are there moderators who joined the forums three weeks ago.
4) How come when I encounter a cheater and come on teamspeak, so many moderators don't even bother to reply let alone join the server? *Once again only applies to some moderators*
5) Corruption in staff - I alone know of over three Moderators who had their moderator applications written for them.
6) Also, in my opinion, Clans in MCSG are incredibly unsupported by the moderators and staff. Very few Moderators actually understand the clan situation, and it seems almost like those promoting clans are on the receiving ends of demotions.
~Will Edit if I think of anything else~

1) I think the mentality which the community blatantly noticed when the nocheat started banning people for no reason needs to be calmed down. I still have screenshots of moderators telling me "The No Cheat is One Hundred Percent Accurate with absolutely no exceptions whatsoever and if you're banned by the no cheat you were one hundred percent hacking"

 

[fexr]

Some interesting things I thought I might add/improvements for the McGamer community

Note: I'm a bit harsh please don't take this personally.
1) Can we please have clan servers? There's been so many ideas in the clan community to create a simpler and nicer way to battle. I'm pretty tired of a random player in a battle going "OH BOY, A BATTLE, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND COMPLETELY TARGET THE MEMBERS MUAHAHAHA" and it just creates so much unnecessary flame between clans accused of using alt accounts.
2) Why are there mods doing the exact thing that I described above? I can easily name several mods who I feel literally do ./find to join the battle, disguise, and target members.
*NOTE ONLY SOME MODS IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THESE DON'T RESPOND SAYING IM WRONG I LOVE YOU*
3) Why are there moderators who joined the forums three weeks ago.
4) How come when I encounter a cheater and come on teamspeak, so many moderators don't even bother to reply let alone join the server? *Once again only applies to some moderators*
5) Corruption in staff - I alone know of over three Moderators who had their moderator applications written for them.
6) Also, in my opinion, Clans in MCSG are incredibly unsupported by the moderators and staff. Very few Moderators actually understand the clan situation, and it seems almost like those promoting clans are on the receiving ends of demotions.
~Will Edit if I think of anything else~

1) I think the mentality which the community blatantly noticed when the nocheat started banning people for no reason needs to be calmed down. I still have screenshots of moderators telling me "The No Cheat is One Hundred Percent Accurate with absolutely no exceptions whatsoever and if you're banned by the no cheat you were one hundred percent hacking"

some good points. we have been asking a lot for clan servers but i feel as if we are being ignored. Just responding to our threads saying "Good ideas, I will bring them up if I have the chance" doesn't work.

 

[Kraken]

Some interesting things I thought I might add/improvements for the McGamer community

Note: I'm a bit harsh please don't take this personally.
1) Can we please have clan servers? There's been so many ideas in the clan community to create a simpler and nicer way to battle. I'm pretty tired of a random player in a battle going "OH BOY, A BATTLE, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND COMPLETELY TARGET THE MEMBERS MUAHAHAHA" and it just creates so much unnecessary flame between clans accused of using alt accounts.
2) Why are there mods doing the exact thing that I described above? I can easily name several mods who I feel literally do ./find to join the battle, disguise, and target members.
*NOTE ONLY SOME MODS IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THESE DON'T RESPOND SAYING IM WRONG I LOVE YOU*
3) Why are there moderators who joined the forums three weeks ago.
4) How come when I encounter a cheater and come on teamspeak, so many moderators don't even bother to reply let alone join the server? *Once again only applies to some moderators*
5) Corruption in staff - I alone know of over three Moderators who had their moderator applications written for them.
6) Also, in my opinion, Clans in MCSG are incredibly unsupported by the moderators and staff. Very few Moderators actually understand the clan situation, and it seems almost like those promoting clans are on the receiving ends of demotions.
~Will Edit if I think of anything else~

1) I think the mentality which the community blatantly noticed when the nocheat started banning people for no reason needs to be calmed down. I still have screenshots of moderators telling me "The No Cheat is One Hundred Percent Accurate with absolutely no exceptions whatsoever and if you're banned by the no cheat you were one hundred percent hacking"

1) Great suggestion! I'll make sure it's brought up for consideration. If you don't get an update on this soon, DM me to remind me until you get a reply. I have a lot on my plate and sometimes things get forgotten so don't let me forget if nothing happens
2) If you have proof of this, send it to senior staff and they will be dealt with.
3) Yes, some of our staff members are somewhat new, however it's likely due to special circumstances. However I can assure you that it was part of the discussion on their application. It's likely their positives outweighed their new-ness. If you have concerns regarding a staff members position, please bring it up to us. We will listen and take what you say into consideration.
4) If you contact a moderator for help and they ignore you, take screenshots of the teamspeak logs and send it to a senior staff member. Replying to players who need help is something we enforce and we look down heavily on staff members who ignore a player in need. Moderators have been demoted for it in the past.
5) Same as #2
6) We have clan staff for a reason. If you have a clan issue, take it to the clan staff. Non clan staff aren't trained how to deal with those situations. Feel free to bring it to me via forum DM and I will make sure it's dealt with appropriately.

 

[fexr]

1) Great suggestion! I'll make sure it's brought up for consideration. If you don't get an update on this soon, DM me to remind me until you get a reply. I have a lot on my plate and sometimes things get forgotten so don't let me forget if nothing happens
2) If you have proof of this, send it to senior staff and they will be dealt with.
3) Yes, some of our staff members are somewhat new, however it's likely due to special circumstances. However I can assure you that it was part of the discussion on their application. It's likely their positives outweighed their new-ness. If you have concerns regarding a staff members position, please bring it up to us. We will listen and take what you say into consideration.
4) If you contact a moderator for help and they ignore you, take screenshots of the teamspeak logs and send it to a senior staff member. Replying to players who need help is something we enforce and we look down heavily on staff members who ignore a player in need. Moderators have been demoted for it in the past.
5) Same as #2
6) We have clan staff for a reason. If you have a clan issue, take it to the clan staff. Non clan staff aren't trained how to deal with those situations. Feel free to bring it to me via forum DM and I will make sure it's dealt with appropriately.

hype for clan servers!!!

 

[Eddy]

u get an a plus
good essay

 

[NagolGames]

Some interesting things I thought I might add/improvements for the McGamer community

Note: I'm a bit harsh please don't take this personally.
1) Can we please have clan servers? There's been so many ideas in the clan community to create a simpler and nicer way to battle. I'm pretty tired of a random player in a battle going "OH BOY, A BATTLE, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND COMPLETELY TARGET THE MEMBERS MUAHAHAHA" and it just creates so much unnecessary flame between clans accused of using alt accounts.
2) Why are there mods doing the exact thing that I described above? I can easily name several mods who I feel literally do ./find to join the battle, disguise, and target members.
*NOTE ONLY SOME MODS IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THESE DON'T RESPOND SAYING IM WRONG I LOVE YOU*
3) Why are there moderators who joined the forums three weeks ago.
4) How come when I encounter a cheater and come on teamspeak, so many moderators don't even bother to reply let alone join the server? *Once again only applies to some moderators*
5) Corruption in staff - I alone know of over three Moderators who had their moderator applications written for them.
6) Also, in my opinion, Clans in MCSG are incredibly unsupported by the moderators and staff. Very few Moderators actually understand the clan situation, and it seems almost like those promoting clans are on the receiving ends of demotions.
~Will Edit if I think of anything else~

1) I think the mentality which the community blatantly noticed when the nocheat started banning people for no reason needs to be calmed down. I still have screenshots of moderators telling me "The No Cheat is One Hundred Percent Accurate with absolutely no exceptions whatsoever and if you're banned by the no cheat you were one hundred percent hacking"

I thought that I would jump into the conversation and try to clear up some of your questions/concerns (Brndy ) [Listed in order.]

1. Clan Servers: They can be brought up, however it isn't in my control.

2. If you believe that there are staff members who are indeed doing that, please gather evidence and forward it onto a Sr. Staff member via a forum PM or TS Chat. Things of that nature are highly prohibited and they will be handled accordingly if needed.

3. That is a Sr. Staff thing, I don't have much to say about that.

4. If you find a rule breaker somewhere on an MCGamer platform and you contact a moderator via TS to help you and they are just in a Moderator channel and/or a custom, 'Poke If Needed [PIN]' channel and they do not respond, feel free to contact a member of the Sr. Staff team via a method that I mentioned above.

5. If you have evidence and/or have suspicions that a staff member should not be a staff member due to them not being the one who wrote their application, contact a member of the Sr. Staff team as well (via a method that I mentioned above.)

6. Personally, I am not all that into clans and things relating to clans. I do not know specific clan rules and such, however, that is why we have the Clan Staff team. Members of the clan staff team go through an application process and are evaluated to see if they truly do know the clan aspect of things. I will go through and moderate the clan threads and clear/stop flame or disband inactive clans and such, and translate Spanish clan issues on TS/Forums for a Clan Staff member to handle appropriately, but that is the most that I do with clans. I have never been inclined to join/create a clan due to it not being something that I would like to do.

7. The anti-cheat is not perfect and neither is any other anti-cheat. We can't say that all of the bans are completely 100% true and valid, but the devs are doing their best to tweak it as they go. If they run into an error in which the anti-cheat banned X amount of players who were NOT hacking/cheating, they will unban all of those users and then they will go back into the code and find the issue(s) and fix them to the best of their abilities.

I hope that clears up some confusion. If you have further questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to PM me directly and I will get back to you ASAP.

NagolGames

 

[Cameron]

For clarities sake Atu the main reason the thread was locked was not because of your thread (which I agreed with wholeheartly and you didn't break any rules) it was just the discussion in which some people thought it was their chance to jump at the staff calling us "lazy" and "pathetic" that just simply started a flame war between some members and staff. To avoid that your thread was locked. The staff are always open to constructive criticism and I'm sure we will get somewhere because of these threads today.

I'd write more but on phone.