My opinion on Racial Shootings caused by cops

[Mooclan]

"Racial shootings caused by cops"

Hmm...
The first thing that I notice is that you're quick to blame the police officers - "Caused by cops", and say that they are "Racial" shootings.
I'm not qualified to judge, but sometimes people take issues like this beyond the facts. But perhaps there was some racial issue.
Nevertheless, the fact still stands that very large mistakes were made by the police officers. And, the public opinion is that the judicial system also made a severely flawed decision.
(Is not the purpose of the judicial system to protect the liberty and life of citizens?)

Eric Garner
Suspected, but not convicted of a crime. From the video showing what happened, he was physically assaulted, pinned down, and put in a chokehold (I've heard that it was an illegal chokehold). The most concerning part is that he was not retaliating or posing any sort of threat, but was basically tackled by four police officers - one man! And he was just trying to stop being harassed by police officers.

I live next to a police officer and his fiance. There is less than ten feet of space between our front doors. He's not a bad person - takes care of his dog, partner, and personal fitness. From the number of times that I've interacted with him, he's a surprisingly kind man, despite his intimidating build (that guy is buuuufffffff).
So we shouldn't go around thinking all police officers are like the ones who were involved in such horrid situations, but I do agree that certain actions should be taken. I'm not privy to what kind of training police and law-enforcement officers go through, but from what was shown in the video, many of them need reminders of just how dangerous they can be to the people that they're supposed to be protecting - after all, isn't a large part of being a police officer protecting the people and keeping the peace?

 

[Silently]

"Racial shootings caused by cops"

Hmm...
The first thing that I notice is that you're quick to blame the police officers - "Caused by cops", and say that they are "Racial" shootings.
I'm not qualified to judge, but sometimes people take issues like this beyond the facts. But perhaps there was some racial issue.
Nevertheless, the fact still stands that very large mistakes were made by the police officers. And, the public opinion is that the judicial system also made a severely flawed decision.
(Is not the purpose of the judicial system to protect the liberty and life of citizens?)

Eric Garner
Suspected, but not convicted of a crime. From the video showing what happened, he was physically assaulted, pinned down, and put in a chokehold (I've heard that it was an illegal chokehold). The most concerning part is that he was not retaliating or posing any sort of threat, but was basically tackled by four police officers - one man! And he was just trying to stop being harassed by police officers.

I live next to a police officer and his fiance. There is less than ten feet of space between our front doors. He's not a bad person - takes care of his dog, partner, and personal fitness. From the number of times that I've interacted with him, he's a surprisingly kind man, despite his intimidating build (that guy is buuuufffffff).
So we shouldn't go around thinking all police officers are like the ones who were involved in such horrid situations, but I do agree that certain actions should be taken. I'm not privy to what kind of training police and law-enforcement officers go through, but from what was shown in the video, many of them need reminders of just how dangerous they can be to the people that they're supposed to be protecting - after all, isn't a large part of being a police officer protecting the people and keeping the peace?

Precisley, not everyone is the same. My reasoning is that eric, shouldn't of been killed. Im not blaming all of law enforcement. But i would love justice

 

[arsenal]

"Racial shootings caused by cops"

Hmm...
The first thing that I notice is that you're quick to blame the police officers - "Caused by cops", and say that they are "Racial" shootings.
I'm not qualified to judge, but sometimes people take issues like this beyond the facts. But perhaps there was some racial issue.
Nevertheless, the fact still stands that very large mistakes were made by the police officers. And, the public opinion is that the judicial system also made a severely flawed decision.
(Is not the purpose of the judicial system to protect the liberty and life of citizens?)

Eric Garner
Suspected, but not convicted of a crime. From the video showing what happened, he was physically assaulted, pinned down, and put in a chokehold (I've heard that it was an illegal chokehold). The most concerning part is that he was not retaliating or posing any sort of threat, but was basically tackled by four police officers - one man! And he was just trying to stop being harassed by police officers.

I live next to a police officer and his fiance. There is less than ten feet of space between our front doors. He's not a bad person - takes care of his dog, partner, and personal fitness. From the number of times that I've interacted with him, he's a surprisingly kind man, despite his intimidating build (that guy is buuuufffffff).
So we shouldn't go around thinking all police officers are like the ones who were involved in such horrid situations, but I do agree that certain actions should be taken. I'm not privy to what kind of training police and law-enforcement officers go through, but from what was shown in the video, many of them need reminders of just how dangerous they can be to the people that they're supposed to be protecting - after all, isn't a large part of being a police officer protecting the people and keeping the peace?

Yep, no way to tell if the officers would have treated the situation the same way with a white man. What we can say is that no matter what the chokehold thing was not right at all, no matter what race it happened to.

As for Ferguson it is hard to say, of course it is easy to be swayed by other people's strong beliefs. It seems that a cop thought he was in trouble, if the fact that he was black made him more scared (and therefore racist) it is hard to say. Nonetheless, the cop thought he was in danger so he pulled the trigger. Probably a gun was a little extreme for the circumstances, but in the heat of the moment that's what the officer did.

 

[Joel/MadDawg]

These cases are so much more complicated than just abuse of power or even racism. When it comes down to it none of us got to witness any of these events, so we really have no right to judge the situations and how they played out.

The Ferguson case was settled in the court of law and the policeman in question was proven innocent. I have faith in the court system to make the right decision, and based off of everything I have learned about the case the policeman responded well within the law. Just because a white police officer shoots a black man it does not mean any racial prejudice is involved.

The Eric Garner case is admittedly more complex. The video certainly paints a bad light on the police officers, but without knowing the events that lead up to the confrontation I find it still hard to jump to any conclusions. Also, I would just like to point out that the police officers did not "brutally murder" Eric Garner (this is not only a loaded statement but also false). From what I have heard Eric Garner died of a heart attack due to the stress of the situation, not because the police officer literally choked the life out of him. The police officer clearly had no intentions of "brutally murdering" Eric Garner and had no way to know that his actions would lead to a fatal heart attack.

Does racism exist in the world? Of course, and the fight for equality and justice will always be a noble cause. But killing police officers for suspected racism and partaking in a witchhunt for corrupt officials is simply not the way to get anything done.

 

[Chobski]

I see your point, but yet again the UK has 64.1 million people while America has 318.9 million people. Additionally, the amount of victims saved with guns outweighs the amount of police-shootings proven to be misconduct.

Although the incidents are most certainly non-proportional to population size. I agree that guns do save lives in a number of situations. I think that what we can both come to a common understanding with is that police abuse and racism is abhorrently unacceptable in any country.

 

[Scott]

Although the incidents are most certainly non-proportional to population size. I agree that guns do save lives in a number of situations. I think that what we can both come to a common understanding with is that police abuse and racism is abhorrently unacceptable in any country.

Yeah, I'd definitely agree. It's because of the people in charge whom put in racist policies for their officers. I think the people should run the police, not an elected "official" whom can do whatever he or she wants.

 

[Silently]

Yep, no way to tell if the officers would have treated the situation the same way with a white man. What we can say is that no matter what the chokehold thing was not right at all, no matter what race it happened to.

As for Ferguson it is hard to say, of course it is easy to be swayed by other people's strong beliefs. It seems that a cop thought he was in trouble, if the fact that he was black made him more scared (and therefore racist) it is hard to say. Nonetheless, the cop thought he was in danger so he pulled the trigger. Probably a gun was a little extreme for the circumstances, but in the heat of the moment that's what the officer did.

He "thought" he was in trouble so he shoots the poor man 6 times when he was running away? Key word away. Maybe 1 shot in the leg to prevent him from getting away would've
Been fine but not y bullets and murdering him.


As for Eric, you have every right point. Maybe it wasn't a racist murder maybe that's wha people think but what it seems like it is. And both these law enforcement officials should have been put to justice .

Yep, no way to tell if the officers would have treated the situation the same way with a white man. What we can say is that no matter what the chokehold thing was not right at all, no matter what race it happened to.

As for Ferguson it is hard to say, of course it is easy to be swayed by other people's strong beliefs. It seems that a cop thought he was in trouble, if the fact that he was black made him more scared (and therefore racist) it is hard to say. Nonetheless, the cop thought he was in danger so he pulled the trigger. Probably a gun was a little extreme for the circumstances, but in the heat of the moment that's what the officer did.

As I reiterate, if he thought he was in danger he should have pulled the trigger once, but just because the man as "black" he gets scared? Then what's that officials point on being a cop if he's going to get frightened by a black man that have alot of impact in this world. A cop is to help out the society not harm them.

 

[arsenal]

He "thought" he was in trouble so he shoots the poor man 6 times when he was running away? Key word away. Maybe 1 shot in the leg to prevent him from getting away would've
Been fine but not y bullets and murdering him.

As for Eric, you have every right point. Maybe it wasn't a racist murder maybe that's wha people think but what it seems like it is. And both these law enforcement officials should have been put to justice .

As I reiterate, if he thought he was in danger he should have pulled the trigger once, but just because the man as "black" he gets scared? Then what's that officials point on being a cop if he's going to get frightened by a black man that have alot of impact in this world. A cop is to help out the society not harm them.

Not saying what the officer did in Ferguson was right or wrong. It is hard to judge with the little evidence there is, as the story has been told so many ways. What I will say is that you can't convict someone of murder unless you are 100% certain. It also doesn't seem like Brown ever surrendered. In the US guns are allowed for self defense, whether that is right or wrong is a debate for another day. But, it seems the officer used his gun in an act of self defense. Not really a law about how many times you can shoot at them. But it sounds like all the shots were fired while the officer was being attacked. Could the officer used a non-lethal weapon like a taser? Yes of course he should have, put apparently he didn't have one, because the department only had one. Which for me is the biggest problem in the whole thing, and that is not really this particular officers fault.

 

[Chobski]

Not saying what the officer did in Ferguson was right or wrong. It is hard to judge with the little evidence there is, as the story has been told so many ways. What I will say is that you can't convict someone of murder unless you are 100% certain. It also doesn't seem like Brown ever surrendered. In the US guns are allowed for self defense, whether that is right or wrong is a debate for another day. But, it seems the officer used his gun in an act of self defense. Not really a law about how many times you can shoot at them. But it sounds like all the shots were fired while the officer was being attacked. Could the officer used a non-lethal weapon like a taser? Yes of course he should have, put apparently he didn't have one, because the department only had one. Which for me is the biggest problem in the whole thing, and that is not really this particular officers fault.

I assume they either shoot to kill or to just stop the assailant, evidently in the midst of close quarters combat it can get very difficult to be accurate.