MH17 discussion thread

[Twee]

Why tf do people keep flying on that airline?

omfg ag

 

[Nirmit|NirmitPlays]

Dude, That never happen ;.;

Nah. Here's why I disagree:

-In the modern world it would be absolutely ridiculously difficult to pull off something like that and frame someone else. The U.S. was able to tell where the missile was fired from in a matter of minutes.
-Even if he were able to, shooting down a plane is an incredibly inefficient way of getting international support and retaliate. Besides, Putin would barely need people to blame it on Ukraine since Russia has enough power to invade it pretty easily anyway.
-If he'd ordered it to happen and cover it up, this would have happened much more smoothly. There were multiple security leaks such as a commander posting on facebook that he'd shot down a plane before deleting it once he realised what he'd done.



Nah, barely. The U.S. backed the Mujahideen which Bin Laden was part of during the cold war, but Bin Laden never did anything like try to ask for his own rights, nor was he trained by the U.S.

Please read this http://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

 

[Ephiza]

I'm too confused to really bother with this :/

 

[I_love_desk]

Please read this http://newsone.com/1205745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

Firstly this makes no mention of Bin Laden asking for rights, which, as I said, didn't happen, and secondly, it's a completely unreliable source. The only people it quotes as evidence that Bin Laden was trained are 'several others'. I'll believe it when it's confirmed by a reliable source such as the BBC and not what looks like a conspiracy website...

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

Basically after doing some research, I have found out that the flight MH17 was on a disapproved route to Kuala Lumpar.
The crashed MH17 flight took a route 300 miles to the north of its usual path, an aviation expert has said.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed.

Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers.

But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route.

"I went into the FlightAware system, which we all use these days to see where airplanes started and where they tracked, and I looked back at the last two weeks' worth of MH17 flights, which was this one.

So between this information and news, it sounds like this was planned along all toghter... So the MH17 flight suspiciously take a route which no Commercial pilot would take, as the frequent mishaps between Russia and Ukraine. Also being shot down at the right altitude sounds suspicious aswell...

 

[I_love_desk]

Basically after doing some research, I have found out that the flight MH17 was on a disapproved route to Kuala Lumpar.
The crashed MH17 flight took a route 300 miles to the north of its usual path, an aviation expert has said.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed.

Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers.

But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route.

"I went into the FlightAware system, which we all use these days to see where airplanes started and where they tracked, and I looked back at the last two weeks' worth of MH17 flights, which was this one.

So between this information and news, it sounds like this was planned along all toghter... So the MH17 flight suspiciously take a route which no Commercial pilot would take, as the frequent mishaps between Russia and Ukraine. Also being shot down at the right altitude sounds suspicious aswell...

Can we not get all these conspiracies going. It wasn't planned, the illuminati didn't steal it. It's basically already been explained what happened, which was them mistaking it for a military aircraft. Every time something like this happens people immediately use it to push their political agendas that somehow the U.S. government / the illuminati / something is behind it and that it was planned. It was not.

 

[Unknown // Rainbow Derp]

Can we not get all these conspiracies going. It wasn't planned, the illuminati didn't steal it. It's basically already been explained what happened, which was them mistaking it for a military aircraft. Every time something like this happens people immediately use it to push their political agendas that somehow the U.S. government / the illuminati / something is behind it and that it was planned. It was not.

Then why does it show taking insecure route even though they know what is happening between Russia and Ukraine? These are not conspiracies, we are going through this with evidence of what exactly happened, so if you can provide proof for your "Agendas" then I'll be happy and step down.

 

[I_love_desk]

Then why does it show taking insecure route even though they know what is happening between Russia and Ukraine? These are not conspiracies, we are going through this with evidence of what exactly happened, so if you can provide proof for your "Agendas" then I'll be happy and step down.

Ok, how about this. A ton of planes fly over that area every day, and it wasn't viewed as unsafe (there was international flight clearance). If they were going to create a crazy plan where they shot down a plane, why would they divert one planes path to go over that area instead of just shooting one of the planes that flies over that route every day? Diverting a plane to do so would just be pointless and would create suspicion.

 

[EagleMan]

When I heard about this crash, I was absolutely disgusted. Ok, if Russia [99.9% sure it was Russia] had shot down a military jet that may have attacked from the air, I would have been fine, because it is 'semi-reasonable'. In this case, it is a full Boeing 777 with 298 people on board. Such a loss of life places this crash 8th on the deadliest commercial jet accident (disclosing 9/11, as it was a hijack).

I did a bit of digging onto the subject, and I found that this crash was the deadliest crash since 9/11, the deadliest crash in Ukraine, the worst with a Boeing 777 and the worst in Malaysia Airlines history. When you put these into perspective, these records are incredible considering the improved saftey records.

I was even more disgusted at Vladimir Putin. To have his Russian-based-separatists shoot down a commercial airliner and then blame Ukraine for the 'accident' is a horrible thing to do. When I tried to find the Wikipedia page, I typed in "mh17 wikipedia" and this is what came up-

[Ignore the fact that I have Bing as my search engine, I downloaded something that changed it and I can't change it back xD]


That disgusted me.

EDIT: I will write more on this tomorrow, I'm just a bit tired right now.

 

[MultiBigTime]

The Malaysian airlines goes through Ukraine all the time and it saves them 9 minutes, if they did the same route or around the same route as other airlines this would of never happened, its so sad.