Difference Between A Discussion And An Argument

[FuSioN]

Not a single staff member has responded to this. Can you please just give us some answers?

(And yes, I did double post)

 

[gcb99]

The problem is:

Normally its like this:
Ex: One Guy says "Stonesword is better than Diamondsword"
The other says "No Diamondsword is better because the enchantings are better, it deals more damage and has more durability"
Then either the first Guy says "Oh yes your right, thx I'm sorry I was wrong" or the guy replies like this (sadly the more firther version :/ ) "Dude no stfu you so stupid -.-" But normally even this guy knows that the second guy (who said dia sword is better) is right.

But on Forums we normally have discussion where no side is 100% right or 100% wrong - or better said both sides thinks they're right. This means there will be endless discussions which suddenly will turn into a flamewar because there is no argument which is beating every argument which is against it.
But because both sides think they have the better arguments they keep on and want the other side to surrender.
But if you imagine you would be in the other side you normally understand that there is no perfect way.

--> Often you have to make decisions knowing something is bad at it. But maybe it's still better than any other Solution.

Correct me if I'm totally wrong but I'm quite sure Sr. Staff in such a situation... (making decisions knowing parts of them are bad) But if the community finds those problems they lead against the Sr. Staff with those bad parts....

 

[RC_4777]

Sometimes you can't go straight by the book, I feel like many locked threads deserved it.

 

[FuSioN]

Sometimes you can't go straight by the book, I feel like many locked threads deserved it.

I don't understand why though? Why did those threads deserve to be locked? Like I said before, I just want an explanation.

 

[RC_4777]

I don't understand why though? Why did those threads deserve to be locked? Like I said before, I just want an explanation.

Repeat thread, arguments/off-topicness, etc.

 

[duckluv321]

Honestly, this all would've never happened if we would've been given an explanation. MCSG's staff is beginning to drift to far away from the community, and it's not a good thing.

I'm almost 100% sure nobody wanted drama. Nobody wanted to cause issues, or trouble-- they just wanted answers.

Let's put this into perspective for a second. If a member of the supreme court is suddenly fired, without any explanation, wouldn't you want to know why? Most Americans would wonder "What on earth happened?" "What did they do?". This ordeal happens, and a news team questions the higher-up members of the Government.

"Why was ___ fired?"

They are simply pushed away, and ignored, with no response. This sense of "secret" only makes people lust for information more, and sooner or later, more questions are asked, and trouble is caused.

With this lust for information, people look for anything they can understand. They'll latch onto any information they can find, and start rumors, and cause drama.

This all could have been avoided with a simple answer from the start.

That is the same way with this demotion. People want answers, and answers are not being given. People are latching onto whatever they can find, and be it true or not, we'll probably never know.

We can't simply be told "You're wrong", and then not told what is right. These "secrets", and constant lack of contact only make people wonder more.

Locking threads-- understandable. Threads are locked all the time to prevent issues, but usually with a reason. Locking a thread is essentially pushing away the question, and leaving it out for speculation. People aren't just going to stop because a thread was locked. They want answers, and that's only fair.

If you can't give answers, shine some light on the situation. Anything that shows you actually care enough to let people know what's happening, puts out this fire.

The fire starts with a source. Something happens, and leaves people upset. There's a bucket of water, sitting next to the fire, that will easily quench it, much like an answer easily lessens the lust for information. That bucket is kicked over, and the fire is ignored. The fire grows, and slowly, people notice the fire. The water is still there, but now it's even harder to reach.

The more you avoid a problem, the larger the problem becomes.
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With that rather large paragraph, all I'm trying to say is that none of this really is an argument, or a discussion even-- half the time, they're just questions. They might be written as a statement, but in the end, it's the drive to know, and figure out the truth behind something. (At least with the recent drama, anyway).

Lastly, yes, I realize sometimes information is confidential, but that doesn't stop someone from wanting answers, or anything to believe. It's human nature >.>

 

[Jon | Lqzer]

Honestly, this all would've never happened if we would've been given an explanation. MCSG's staff is beginning to drift to far away from the community, and it's not a good thing.

I'm almost 100% sure nobody wanted drama. Nobody wanted to cause issues, or trouble-- they just wanted answers.

Let's put this into perspective for a second. If a member of the supreme court is suddenly fired, without any explanation, wouldn't you want to know why? Most Americans would wonder "What on earth happened?" "What did they do?". This ordeal happens, and a news team questions the higher-up members of the Government.

"Why was ___ fired?"

They are simply pushed away, and ignored, with no response. This sense of "secret" only makes people lust for information more, and sooner or later, more questions are asked, and trouble is caused.

With this lust for information, people look for anything they can understand. They'll latch onto any information they can find, and start rumors, and cause drama.

This all could have been avoided with a simple answer from the start.

That is the same way with this demotion. People want answers, and answers are not being given. People are latching onto whatever they can find, and be it true or not, we'll probably never know.

We can't simply be told "You're wrong", and then not told what is right. These "secrets", and constant lack of contact only make people wonder more.

Locking threads-- understandable. Threads are locked all the time to prevent issues, but usually with a reason. Locking a thread is essentially pushing away the question, and leaving it out for speculation. People aren't just going to stop because a thread was locked. They want answers, and that's only fair.

If you can't give answers, shine some light on the situation. Anything that shows you actually care enough to let people know what's happening, puts out this fire.

The fire starts with a source. Something happens, and leaves people upset. There's a bucket of water, sitting next to the fire, that will easily quench it, much like an answer easily lessens the lust for information. That bucket is kicked over, and the fire is ignored. The fire grows, and slowly, people notice the fire. The water is still there, but now it's even harder to reach.

The more you avoid a problem, the larger the problem becomes.

With that rather large paragraph, all I'm trying to say is that none of this really is an argument, or a discussion even-- half the time, they're just questions. They might be written as a statement, but in the end, it's the drive to know, and figure out the truth behind something. (At least with the recent drama, anyway)

Amen!

 

[EvermoreHD]

Staff lock threads because of a "possible flame war". This is not a legitimate reason at all. "Possible flame war" is so vague that technically anything could be classified as it. Staff should wait for the flame war to actually happen before locking.

 

[duckluv321]

Staff lock threads because of a "possible flame war". This is not a legitimate reason at all. "Possible flame war" is so vague that technically anything could be classified as it. Staff should wait for the flame war to actually happen before locking.

While I slightly agree, the issue is that if they wait for a flamewar to break out, problems will rise, that wouldn't have risen if you had just stopped it when it started.

Personally, I think possible flame wars should receive a warning, then a lock if the warning isn't heeded, however that's just my opinion >.<

 

[FuSioN]

Honestly, this all would've never happened if we would've been given an explanation. MCSG's staff is beginning to drift to far away from the community, and it's not a good thing.

I'm almost 100% sure nobody wanted drama. Nobody wanted to cause issues, or trouble-- they just wanted answers.

Let's put this into perspective for a second. If a member of the supreme court is suddenly fired, without any explanation, wouldn't you want to know why? Most Americans would wonder "What on earth happened?" "What did they do?". This ordeal happens, and a news team questions the higher-up members of the Government.

"Why was ___ fired?"

They are simply pushed away, and ignored, with no response. This sense of "secret" only makes people lust for information more, and sooner or later, more questions are asked, and trouble is caused.

With this lust for information, people look for anything they can understand. They'll latch onto any information they can find, and start rumors, and cause drama.

This all could have been avoided with a simple answer from the start.

That is the same way with this demotion. People want answers, and answers are not being given. People are latching onto whatever they can find, and be it true or not, we'll probably never know.

We can't simply be told "You're wrong", and then not told what is right. These "secrets", and constant lack of contact only make people wonder more.

Locking threads-- understandable. Threads are locked all the time to prevent issues, but usually with a reason. Locking a thread is essentially pushing away the question, and leaving it out for speculation. People aren't just going to stop because a thread was locked. They want answers, and that's only fair.

If you can't give answers, shine some light on the situation. Anything that shows you actually care enough to let people know what's happening, puts out this fire.

The fire starts with a source. Something happens, and leaves people upset. There's a bucket of water, sitting next to the fire, that will easily quench it, much like an answer easily lessens the lust for information. That bucket is kicked over, and the fire is ignored. The fire grows, and slowly, people notice the fire. The water is still there, but now it's even harder to reach.

The more you avoid a problem, the larger the problem becomes.
---
With that rather large paragraph, all I'm trying to say is that none of this really is an argument, or a discussion even-- half the time, they're just questions. They might be written as a statement, but in the end, it's the drive to know, and figure out the truth behind something. (At least with the recent drama, anyway).

Lastly, yes, I realize sometimes information is confidential, but that doesn't stop someone from wanting answers, or anything to believe. It's human nature >.>

Well said.