Final Attempt

[Atu]

You're welcome.



Coding a 'simple' anti-cheat is harder than you think. It is a very new system, and is still being worked on. Consider it a beta test. Is every video game released perfect on day one? No. It has bugs and glitches that takes time to fix. I'm curious to know where you got that statistic from. Did you know 7/10 statistics are made up on the spot?




There is only a certain amount of screening we can do before hiring a moderator. We have strict application requirements and anybody we think might be a trouble maker, doesn't get accepted. However, this is one of the largest MC networks in the world. We have over 3 million players and so we don't have time to get to know every single applicant on a personal level before accepting them into the staff team.
If you witness a staff member abusing their powers, bring it up to a member of sr staff and if you have sufficient proof, they are removed from the staff team, and any power abuse they have done is reversed. Simple. We don't sweep anything under the rug as some people have come to accuse us of. Smaller networks have the advantage of being able to be more selective about who they accept. I can imagine if we adopted the same issue and made it so every new moderator is intensively screened before making it onto the team, we'd have a staff team half the size of what it is now, and the complaints would be "GET MORE MODERATORS, THERE'S SO MANY HACKERS DO SOMETHING OMG WHY AREN'T YOU HIRING MORE MODS". It seems like everything we do these days, no body is happy...



As I've already said, there's a lot that goes on that you don't see. We DO NOT 'brush them aside'. If you have suggestions for promotions, bring them to us. If you feel so strongly about somebody deserving a promotion, why haven't I seen you suggest them before this thread? Bring suggestions for promotions to the senior staff, and it WILL be considered, I can assure you of that. Post angry threads on the forums about how 'omg why isn't this person a sr mod yet? are you guys blind?!', and we will ignore you. Simple. There's a right way to do these things, and a wrong way.



I don't think you quite understand what it takes to code an anti-cheat. It takes a lot more than a day trust me... Consider it like an anti-virus. Sure, you can block a virus. But more come up that are designed to bypass the anti-virus. You block those, and 2 more are made to replace them. Hacking will never be removed. Like i've already said, an anti-cheat is a machine, incapable of logic and reasoning. It can't look at every potential hacker with a case by case basis. However. I agree with some of what you say regarding our anti-cheat. Personally, I don't like it. But your claims that the dev team could easily whip up a perfect anti-cheat in 24 hours is an uneducated claim that is a gross misunderstanding of how development works.



I will keep this thread open only if flame is kept away. Staff will be watching this thread, myself included and we will not hesitate to lock it should flame ensue. If you believe a staff member to be causing the flame, bring it to me and I will deal with it accordingly.
Do not assume we don't want your opinions, because we do. However we don't appreciate being told our system is garbage and badlion does it better without any reasonable alternatives.



If you have reasonable evidence to prove a staff member is lying about their age, send it to senior staff and it will be dealt with accordingly. However you'd be surprised how easy it is. A simple voice changer upon their interview can easily fool anyone. There's only so much digging we can do on someone before it becomes illegal...

That statistic? Based on bans on servers like kohi and badlion. It is slightly inaccurate the amount could be higher or lower depending. As well to adress your point of it taking a lot of work. I'm going to reiterate this 1 HOUR 4 HOURS OF TESTING AND MAINTNENCE ON THE SERVER WITH 1 SECOND BANS TO ACCOUNT FOR POSSIBLE FALSE BANS. If they can do it in an hour/4 hours 20x better than we could do it in the long time it would be pretty unbelievable. I mean Archy and MaterG are some of the best devs; but these are the devs that coded the best SG plugin known on mc.

I thought that I would jump into the conversation and try to clear up some of your questions/concerns (Brndy ) [Listed in order.]

1. Clan Servers: They can be brought up, however it isn't in my control.

2. If you believe that there are staff members who are indeed doing that, please gather evidence and forward it onto a Sr. Staff member via a forum PM or TS Chat. Things of that nature are highly prohibited and they will be handled accordingly if needed.

3. That is a Sr. Staff thing, I don't have much to say about that.

4. If you find a rule breaker somewhere on an MCGamer platform and you contact a moderator via TS to help you and they are just in a Moderator channel and/or a custom, 'Poke If Needed [PIN]' channel and they do not respond, feel free to contact a member of the Sr. Staff team via a method that I mentioned above.

5. If you have evidence and/or have suspicions that a staff member should not be a staff member due to them not being the one who wrote their application, contact a member of the Sr. Staff team as well (via a method that I mentioned above.)

6. Personally, I am not all that into clans and things relating to clans. I do not know specific clan rules and such, however, that is why we have the Clan Staff team. Members of the clan staff team go through an application process and are evaluated to see if they truly do know the clan aspect of things. I will go through and moderate the clan threads and clear/stop flame or disband inactive clans and such, and translate Spanish clan issues on TS/Forums for a Clan Staff member to handle appropriately, but that is the most that I do with clans. I have never been inclined to join/create a clan due to it not being something that I would like to do.

7. The anti-cheat is not perfect and neither is any other anti-cheat. We can't say that all of the bans are completely 100% true and valid, but the devs are doing their best to tweak it as they go. If they run into an error in which the anti-cheat banned X amount of players who were NOT hacking/cheating, they will unban all of those users and then they will go back into the code and find the issue(s) and fix them to the best of their abilities.

I hope that clears up some confusion. If you have further questions, comments, or concerns, feel free to PM me directly and I will get back to you ASAP.

NagolGames

You're missing the point out anti cheat is extremely bypass able. There is no blocking of ghost clients, no autoclicker detection and etc. All your other points are extremely blunt and lead no where as a counter argument. Refer to the most iterated thing I've said about the anticheat 1 hour 4 hours of maintenance 2000 ghost clienters, auto-clickers, and just normal client users banned.

Badlion staff are much more pliable to hacks because they have actual experience in the community, most of them have toyed around with ghost clients on the test server to see how they function. Not many false bans on there. A lot on here. Easily bypassible anti cheat on here, extremely powerful on there. Communital Communication is obviously the right way to go. Badlion is a steady insane rise in players, we're debatably losing the most important ones.
Learn from them if you can't learn from your own community.

 

[Noah|Vendue]

That statistic? Based on bans on servers like kohi and badlion. It is slightly inaccurate the amount could be higher or lower depending. As well to adress your point of it taking a lot of work. I'm going to reiterate this 1 HOUR 4 HOURS OF TESTING AND MAINTNENCE ON THE SERVER WITH 1 SECOND BANS TO ACCOUNT FOR POSSIBLE FALSE BANS. If they can do it in an hour/4 hours 20x better than we could do it in the long time it would be pretty unbelievable. I mean Archy and MaterG are some of the best devs; but these are the devs that coded the best SG plugin known on mc.

You're missing the point out anti cheat is extremely bypass able. There is no blocking of ghost clients, no autoclicker detection and etc. All your other points are extremely blunt and lead no where as a counter argument. Refer to the most iterated thing I've said about the anticheat 1 hour 4 hours of maintenance 2000 ghost clienters, auto-clickers, and just normal client users banned.

Badlion staff are much more pliable to hacks because they have actual experience in the community, most of them have toyed around with ghost clients on the test server to see how they function. Not many false bans on there. A lot on here. Easily bypassible anti cheat on here, extremely powerful on there. Communital Communication is obviously the right way to go. Badlion is a steady insane rise in players, we're debatably losing the most important ones.
Learn from them if you can't learn from your own community.

You should write a book!

 

[Kraken]

Badlion staff are much more pliable to hacks because they have actual experience in the community, most of them have toyed around with ghost clients on the test server to see how they function. Not many false bans on there. A lot on here. Easily bypassible anti cheat on here, extremely powerful on there. Communital Communication is obviously the right way to go. Badlion is a steady insane rise in players, we're debatably losing the most important ones.
Learn from them if you can't learn from your own community.

Let's look at a possible reason why we have so many more hackers.
Let's say you have a community of a thousand, with a 1% hacker ratio (1 in every 100 is a hacker). This is an example, not a statistic so please no 'BUT THERES A LOT MORE HACKER THAN THAT'. Its an example.
So in that community of players, you would see 10 hackers total. Not many.
Now try a community with a million. You'd see 10,000 hackers. Yes, we have A LOT more hackers than other networks. However I suspect a major contributing factor to this is the fact that we simply have more players, and thus, more hackers. Also, being a larger network, we are more of a target for hackers. Script kiddies wanting to show what they can do probably spend their time working their way around larger networks anti-cheat for boasting rights, whereas smaller networks probably get targeted less.
And again; no anti-cheat will block everything. If you say you have an anti-cheat that is impossible to bypass, you're lying.

 

[Evermore]

Let's look at a possible reason why we have so many more hackers.
Let's say you have a community of a thousand, with a 1% hacker ratio (1 in every 100 is a hacker). This is an example, not a statistic so please no 'BUT THERES A LOT MORE HACKER THAN THAT'. Its an example.
So in that community of players, you would see 10 hackers total. Not many.
Now try a community with a million. You'd see 10,000 hackers. Yes, we have A LOT more hackers than other networks. However I suspect a major contributing factor to this is the fact that we simply have more players, and thus, more hackers. Also, being a larger network, we are more of a target for hackers. Script kiddies wanting to show what they can do probably spend their time working their way around larger networks anti-cheat for boasting rights, whereas smaller networks probably get targeted less.
And again; no anti-cheat will block everything. If you say you have an anti-cheat that is impossible to bypass, you're lying.

Badlion has similar player counts compared to MCSG; MCSG is not as popular as you think.

 

[Atu]

Let's look at a possible reason why we have so many more hackers.
Let's say you have a community of a thousand, with a 1% hacker ratio (1 in every 100 is a hacker). This is an example, not a statistic so please no 'BUT THERES A LOT MORE HACKER THAN THAT'. Its an example.
So in that community of players, you would see 10 hackers total. Not many.
Now try a community with a million. You'd see 10,000 hackers. Yes, we have A LOT more hackers than other networks. However I suspect a major contributing factor to this is the fact that we simply have more players, and thus, more hackers. Also, being a larger network, we are more of a target for hackers. Script kiddies wanting to show what they can do probably spend their time working their way around larger networks anti-cheat for boasting rights, whereas smaller networks probably get targeted less.
And again; no anti-cheat will block everything. If you say you have an anti-cheat that is impossible to bypass, you're lying.

I honestly don't know if you're kidding at this point. No where did I ask for anti cheat that was perfect. To put this bluntly so your head can wrap around it. The anticheat is horrible in comparison to this community; we are nt mineplex we require autoclicker and triggerbot protection at least. I gave you statistics proving why this is completely possible with a dev team of 4********* in 1 day.
Let's look at your "It only seems like we have a lot of hackers because we're so popular." Argument if that even is one lmao.
That is honestly the most pretentious an ignorant thing you could've possibly said. That is an excuse not an argument. There are two things that completely break down that argument. Badlion wether you accept it or not has double the daily players in both networks (us and eu) on in a day than mcsg. Their hacker problem is completely minimal as only insanely intricate ghost clients can long term bypass it. This is exactly why 60% of the top 100 are banned of badlion for illegal modifications.
Second point; let's say our anticheat blocks 4% of cheats (quite accurate imo as only clients with multi aura with no safety measures are detectable) badlion' may block 80% (again quite accurate as what I said above.
So let's go back to what you said and realize that badlion has a login population quite similar to ours and a daily population much larger. Let's say we have 1 million and 1% hack theoretically about 400 out of those 10,000 would actually be banned. In badlion with use same logistics 8,000 of the 10,000 are banned. See where I'm going.
Honestly if you're that confident I'll time myself in one hour with a team of 3 other devs to code an anticheat that works better than just an entity spawning when you open a chest.

I mean auto banning players who reach a cps value over 24 for 5 seconds is a pretty easy thing to code. And pop-pop 40% of top 20 gets magically banned and closet cheaters are dealt with.

Honestly the only thing they can say is "I CLICK THAT FAST I SWEAR" which is incorrect and improbable. I mean if they really could they'd have to record it and it would be pretty easy to tell if they were using an autoclicker with sound added to the video or double click or something.

 

[MrExtrodinaryMr]

Let's look at a possible reason why we have so many more hackers.
Let's say you have a community of a thousand, with a 1% hacker ratio (1 in every 100 is a hacker). This is an example, not a statistic so please no 'BUT THERES A LOT MORE HACKER THAN THAT'. Its an example.
So in that community of players, you would see 10 hackers total. Not many.
Now try a community with a million. You'd see 10,000 hackers. Yes, we have A LOT more hackers than other networks. However I suspect a major contributing factor to this is the fact that we simply have more players, and thus, more hackers. Also, being a larger network, we are more of a target for hackers. Script kiddies wanting to show what they can do probably spend their time working their way around larger networks anti-cheat for boasting rights, whereas smaller networks probably get targeted less.
And again; no anti-cheat will block everything. If you say you have an anti-cheat that is impossible to bypass, you're lying.

Saying that you guys have a lot of hackers in the server because of the amount of players you have is laughable, there are bigger networks than you such has Badlion and HiveMC, and I cannot remember the last time I've ever met a cheater. So no, it's not that you guys have a lot of players, it's you guys having an anti-cheat that is just outdated and pretty much useless compare to other servers mentioned above.

 

[NotCanziano]

If you want change, go somewhere else. It'll eventually get to a point where MCGamer will have to make a change because of their declining player base.

 

[NovaKaine]

I think these types of threads are ok; you are telling the server how they can improve, with others in the same mindset. However, when the threads turn into flame, and members all of a sudden calling the devs 'lazy', I think it gets a bit out of hand. I mean, if it's in your opinion that they're lazy, that's fine! You shouldn't have to go saying it out loud.

Apart from that, I do fully agree! Maybe stop putting your time into Deadly Descent or Survival Bingo, and actually focus on the game-type that got the server originally popular. It truly does have the best SG plugin, but is ruined by hackers, especially closet cheaters.

 

[Kraken]

At this point I've said everything I want to say regarding this topic. I don't agree with 75% of what is being brought up and it's now gotten to the point where my discussions are literally being laughed at, so I will take that as if I am no longer welcome in this discussion, which is disappointing. I was hoping this thread would be open to the staff being about to discuss possible issues and fixes with certain areas of the network with the community, however if my points are not welcome and being made a mockery of, I will focus my time and energy elsewhere.
On top of that, it seems like the same points are being brought up over and over as a counter argument, and personally I'm a little tired of being compared to Badlion on a daily basis.
I find it a little ironic that a lot of players are accusing us of not being able to take criticism, and shutting down any threads that relate to possible issues. When we leave it open to discussion, my points and discussions are laughed at, and I'm outright insulted by counter-discussions.
Good day to you all.

 

[Omar]

mint can talk in a serious manner?!?!?!? yo mcg do wat he says now

 

[Kellyys]

All of the paragraphs in this thread is enough to make a 300 page book ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Kraken]

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There's a fine line between respectively giving your opinion and aggressive criticism. This thread has now gotten to the point where I feel insulted by the responses and I would be ashamed to be on the other side of this discussion.
As I said, I no longer feel welcome on this thread and will no longer be providing my opinion or any other form of replies, nor will I be reading any replies to any of my comments on here so if you quote me on this thread from this point on, I won't be reading it as I will assume it is just further insults.
If any body wishes to respectively discuss their opinions, feel free to message me and I will gladly discuss any topic with you.