Discussion: MCG-Related Media and its negative impact on the community.

[Mooclan]

Hello.

**Note**
I am not saying that MCG-Related Media is negative, only that it CAN have SOME negative influences on the community, and those are what I'm talking about. It also has very good effects.
I also stated part of this before on another thread, my post can be found by clicking here.

I was viewing a thread earlier today which had a large amount of very detailed arguments on a certain issue, which led me to thinking, how much do YouTubers impact the MCG community?
As you may know, a very large amount of MCG players are attracted through videos that they see online, and most of those are on YouTube (Pre-recorded videos) or Twitch (Livestreams).

As MCSG's playerbase grows, so does it's YT and Twitch base. And also, more and more players are discovering those two platforms. I've dug a little bit recently, and watched some videos and streams. Sometimes I'll see a person get a kill, and then type in chat, "GGM8" or shout in their microphone, "GET REEEEEEEEEKT KIIIIIIIIIIID". These are the people who have possibly the largest impact on MCG's in-game community... and they're acting like this?

Now, I know that not all content-creators do things like this, and I've seen plenty of really nice players who make videos and do streams, but I've also seen a completely different side to people. I privately approached a few streamers who were doing things like this, and asked them why. The most common response? It was "entertaining for the viewers" when they saw the streamer have an excited reaction, as it made the stream less boring and monotone, and gave variation to the tone of the stream. After all, who likes a boring commentator?

Onto the next issue. I'm sure most of the long-time players from way back in V1 remember BajanCanadian and his buddy Jerome, right? Well, not only did they bring a tidal wave of baccas, but they also brought a surge of better sprint mod users. And they're not the only YouTubers to use disallowed Mods on MCG. I've seen people using Rei's in the past, and even Nodus, which was the #1 hack client back in the day. Now, most people who I've seen use Nodus got banned pretty fast, but other mods like Rei's Minimap were less noticeable, because it was so widely used and not considered a hack or unfair advantage on many servers.
Content-creators who use disallowed mods or break rules subtly often influence other players who are not as knowledgeable about the rules to follow in their footsteps.

Now, I'd hate to leave off this thread without making a suggestion on how to help improve the situation. While I cannot force-implement anything, I can still bounce ideas around.
- Announcements and/or rules concerning content that is created on MCG.
- Operation Clean Sweep addressing this issue, and making an effort to try and talk to some media-creators about this issue.


And finally, please feel free to discuss.
Your move, MCSG.

 

[BlueHeron]

Obviously, YouTubers with bigger audiences can convey a message to a larger amount of people. The problem is, what type of message are they sending out, and how big of an influence will it have.

Bajan, for example, sent out the message that it's okay to use BSM (which it's not,) and MCGamer has been cleaning up that up for months even after he left. Other youtubers such as Joey, gave a lot of his fans the idea such as targeting with a large team are "fun" and "fair," which again, isn't very right.

I'm not saying that all youtubers give off bad messages. Blamph and nate252 both told their fan bases to play solo, and their skills will improve from that, which is very true.

 

[Dave | Rev]

I completely agree. Recently I've watched some media that has a person killing a famous/good player, and then reacting all like "OMG OMG OMG OMG I KILLED BLA BLA BLA OMG OMG"

It makes me wonder what people want to upload and/or watch.

 

[Blamph]

I'll keep my post short and sweet.

I don't think its the media who has a huge effect on behavior these days, it's the top competitive players, who are generally in some of the top clans. I've called out 6 different players in these clans who consistently bash new players after every single kill they get, by saying "rekt", "scrub", etc. I've been bashed multiple times on my alt in deathmatch because I lose to a team of two, who then continue to type out ridiculous stuff. I'd love to call them out here, because I'm sure the leaders would love to know who these plagues are, but that will probably cause a flame war.

In general, the newer players in the community DO in fact look up to these players, whether they know it or not. And when they act like that, it makes the people who look up to them act out in the same way. The larger YTers don't generally act like this from what I've seen.

 

[Mamiamato24]

This is one of the primordial reasons why I don't even bother watching MCSG videos nowadays. A whopping percentage of the popular, and even unknown YouTubers, pose bad influences, and utilize subterfuge to convince their loyal viewers that their actions are "okay" to do, even when they're often illegal or earnestly rude.

And I believe there isn't anything we can do about it, which is why I'm severely hesitant on playing a game or watching a video, as I succumb very easily to external influences. This all comes with growing popularity; more people, more YouTubers, etc. I believe that, in order for someone to broadcast these servers in their YouTube videos/Twitch streams, there should be some guidelines that need to be followed, not imposing any restrictions to the content creator. They should just demand the players to be kind and respectful in their conduct, do not use illegal hacks/clients and do not prompt any negative influences. Any evidence of the actions states could result in a removal of VIP/donor, and ultimately, a permanent ban with sufficient evidence.

What MCSG's creators posts gravely affects how the community acts, and I believe the content posted by some major YouTubers should be regulated to ensure there aren't any signs of harassment, disrespect, or the staff feel any sort of malaise towards the YouTuber's demeanour.

 

[Fox]

Since ever, humans have looked to others: Why we have religion, and a certain god with each.
What I'm saying is that, these famous Youtubers, create their army, and eventually "their religion". When one has a big fan base, they can easily forget, "I have a big fan base, yet I'm influencing this children with wrong things" —just as normal media and social sites would do.

I think the initiative for this to stop is how and what the Youtubers give to their fan base.
For example, I will use BajanCanadian: He can easily say "Get rekt", then everyone will say it too as its someone they look up to. For the criteria of viewers these big people have, its easy for the viewers to get carried along with his words, and make use of them too.
Now, lets say some big Youtuber have an inappropriate skin. Despite the fact, their fan base will still use it.

Regardless, how about advertise on their video something such as "Operation Clean Sweep" so other viewers can help record hackers? That would be the correct use of their power.

Youtube now a days, you can't avoid it; its basically free T.V (Even the word YouTube can be found in the dictionary)...

My tip to every Youtuber is to: Please, take care of what you say, what your name is, and as a teacher, teach your viewers good manners.

 

[jonnysurvives]

The best evidence of a youtuber's influence at the moment has got to be Huahwi. The number of players using his skin that try to pull off his FnSs (and almost always end up lighting themselves) is crazy.

 

[Mamiamato24]

The best evidence of a youtuber's influence at the moment has got to be Huahwi. The number of players using his skin that try to pull off his FnSs (and almost always end up lighting themselves) is crazy.

That isn't necessarily a bad influence...

 

[Fox]

The best evidence of a youtuber's influence at the moment has got to be Huahwi. The number of players using his skin that try to pull off his FnSs (and almost always end up lighting themselves) is crazy.

That isn't bad.
With BajanCanadian, people have used Bacca's skins as a symbol of belonging to his religion/ army. That isn't wrong. Its just as saying "I like pokemon, and my favorite pokemon is Blaziken (said Blaziken hence thats the pokemon in your avatar). I shall wear a blaziken skin to show I love him"

 

[jonnysurvives]

That isn't necessarily a bad influence...

That isn't bad.
With BajanCanadian, people have used Bacca's skins as a symbol of belonging to his religion/ army. That isn't wrong. Its just as saying "I like pokemon, and my favorite pokemon is Blaziken (said Blaziken hence thats the pokemon in your avatar). I shall wear a blaziken skin to show I love him"

Read again sillies. I didn't say it was a bad thing, nor did the thread request that we put examples of a youtuber's negative influence. I'm just agreeing that youtubers have a huge responsibility to promote the right things as the number of people that will imitate them is very high.

 

[AMooseMan3]

A huge example of this is ThatOneTomahawk 's videos. His reaction to dying via a team is atriocious in his videos. He can do all he want off of recording, I really don't care, but in his video where he was versing a clan he essentially told his entire fanbase to target 3 players over 1 game. I can understand why he was frustrated, but he should've known better.

 

[Levah]

I'll keep my post short and sweet.

I don't think its the media who has a huge effect on behavior these days, it's the top competitive players, who are generally in some of the top clans. I've called out 6 different players in these clans who consistently bash new players after every single kill they get, by saying "rekt", "scrub", etc. I've been bashed multiple times on my alt in deathmatch on my alt because I lose to a team of two, who then continue to type of ridiculous stuff. I'd love to call them out here, because I'm sure the leaders would love to know who these plagues are, but that will probably cause a flame war.

In general, the newer players in the community DO in fact look up to these players, whether they know it or not. And when they act like that, it makes the people who look up to them act out in the same way. The larger YTers don't generally act like this from what I've seen.

In this type of game there will always be competitive players. To be honest the good and friendly players are not as competitive. Even though we do like some rivalry as it is the Hunger games. But people just take it to far.